Quebec to give it another try?

[citizen_142002]

Canadian Prime Minister Harper made a statement several days ago in which he called for the parliament to recognize Quebec as a nation within a united Canada. Critics believe that his words will incite the Quebecois seperatists to attempt another referendum on secession. They get closer every time that they hold one, and next time there is a good chance that they will suceed.

So, how can the Republic of New Hampshire benefit if Quebec leaves Canada? Can we get/give statements of solidarity? How can we ride the media buzz in a positive way?
I think that if QC seceeds, it will go off bloodlessly and relatively with international tacit approval.

[Michael Fisher]

Can we get/give statements of solidarity? How can we ride the media buzz in a positive way?

Yes. We can and we should, IMO.

[citizen_142002]

A lot of us have our differences with SVR, but I think it is important to be willing to work with Vermont. I'm not saying we totally endorse their positions or their regional plan, but if it ever comes to secession, I hope the "Twin States" stand together.
Actually I've never heard that term expressed on the NHfree or FSp forum that I remember, but that sums up my feelings. Sure, Vermont went hippy and liberal. But they're leave me alone hippies mixed with an old time population much like that in NH. If NH was obliterated by an asteroid, but everything else was left OK. I'd pick Vermont as my choice #2. They aren't perfect, but compare them to everywhere else. Not far from NH.

NH +VT can help and benefit from QC.

[FrankChodorov]

A lot of us have our differences with SVR, but I think it is important to be willing to work with Vermont. I'm not saying we totally endorse their positions or their regional plan, but if it ever comes to secession, I hope the "Twin States" stand together.
Actually I've never heard that term expressed on the NHfree or FSp forum that I remember, but that sums up my feelings. Sure, Vermont went hippy and liberal. But they're leave me alone hippies mixed with an old time population much like that in NH. If NH was obliterated by an asteroid, but everything else was left OK. I'd pick Vermont as my choice #2. They aren't perfect, but compare them to everywhere else. Not far from NH.

NH +VT can help and benefit from QC.

when Quebec secedes the Canadian Maritimes will be isolated from the rest of Canada.

remember the SVR is advocating devolution of political power back to the town meeting and then confederate towns into "shires" like the Swiss Canton system.

[Minsk]

Wouldn't worry about.

From the ground, most of the pseudo-nationalistic fervor is long dead. The politicians have always been more interested in sucking money out of the rest of Canada, so the "issue" will never completely vanish. Never mind minor details like Quebec being more socialist than the rest of the country and the threat by the native reservations to secede from Quebec and rejoin Canada...

[aries]

Quebec is becoming more english speaking and more Canadian than Quebecois, I dont think they'll secede.

[maineiac]

A lot of us have our differences with SVR, but I think it is important to be willing to work with Vermont. I'm not saying we totally endorse their positions or their regional plan, but if it ever comes to secession, I hope the "Twin States" stand together.
Actually I've never heard that term expressed on the NHfree or FSp forum that I remember, but that sums up my feelings. Sure, Vermont went hippy and liberal. But they're leave me alone hippies mixed with an old time population much like that in NH. If NH was obliterated by an asteroid, but everything else was left OK. I'd pick Vermont as my choice #2. They aren't perfect, but compare them to everywhere else. Not far from NH.

NH +VT can help and benefit from QC.

Dude,

Throw in the maineiacs to make the triumvirate!

[FrankChodorov]

A lot of us have our differences with SVR, but I think it is important to be willing to work with Vermont. I'm not saying we totally endorse their positions or their regional plan, but if it ever comes to secession, I hope the "Twin States" stand together.
Actually I've never heard that term expressed on the NHfree or FSp forum that I remember, but that sums up my feelings. Sure, Vermont went hippy and liberal. But they're leave me alone hippies mixed with an old time population much like that in NH. If NH was obliterated by an asteroid, but everything else was left OK. I'd pick Vermont as my choice #2. They aren't perfect, but compare them to everywhere else. Not far from NH.

NH +VT can help and benefit from QC.

Dude,

Throw in the maineiacs to make the triumvirate!

yes the ultimate SVR vision is VT, NH, and Maine confederated at a local level to then join with Canadian Maritimes to form a new country called "New Acadia" about the size of Denmark.

[SeanSchade]

yes the ultimate SVR vision is VT, NH, and Maine confederated at a local level to then join with Canadian Maritimes to form a new country called "New Acadia" about the size of Denmark.

Not to nit-pick, but Maine is about the size of Denmark! 

It could be a cool idea though.

Question: Is the Canadian Maritimes just New Brunswick, or does it include Quebec and New Foundland and Labrador?

[SeanSchade]

Not to hijack the thread...

The combined population of NH, VT, and ME is approximately 3 million. Out of 3 million people how many would agree to secession? Wouldn't those who didn't favor secession call on the Fed to come in and stop the "radicals"? I could see the headlines now! Saving New England...US Military to the Rescue!

[KBCraig]

Question: Is the Canadian Maritimes just New Brunswick, or does it include Quebec and New Foundland and Labrador?

The maritimes are New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and PEI.

Newfoundland and Labrador (which is singular, despite the name) joins the maritimes to form the four Atlantic Provinces.

Kevin

[FrankChodorov]

yes the ultimate SVR vision is VT, NH, and Maine confederated at a local level to then join with Canadian Maritimes to form a new country called "New Acadia" about the size of Denmark.

Not to nit-pick, but Maine is about the size of Denmark! 

population not land area...

[citizen_142002]

From the numbers I've seen the vote gets bigger for seccession each time, not the other way around. I don't know how many of you who are saying that Quebec is becoming more anglicized, have actually visited it over a a period of time.
Frankly the independence movement benefits by the recession of the radical socialist movements. It makes the calls for independence less tied to the far left.

I think Canada is close to dispersion. The votes in QC have approached 50%, and in Alberta the polls indicate a majority favoring either secession or ascession to the USA. The skepticism isn't totally unfounded, but I don't know where people are getting a sense that the Parti Quebecois is shriveling.
No offense, but I'm willing to be I track canadian politics closer than most people on this forum. I haven't seen the same indications that you have. A new party just launched that advocates autonomy for all of western Canada, not just Alberta.

Frank, I wasn't endorsing New Acadia. The idea that Quebec would leave one English speaking confederation to join another doesn't make sense. I expressed a desire for solidarity at the time that one state/province finally declares independence, but I wasn't suggesting political union.
I'd be fine with a free trade zone or even some kind of mutual defense doctrine, but the idea of a new federal or confederate legislature isn't appealing to me. New Hampshire's neighbors are all far more leftist, and with the possible exception of VT, much more authoritarian.

[Michael Fisher]

I've been to Quebec enough to conclude a few things (based on minimal evidence ).
-Conservative separatists still want secession.
-Liberals roll their eyes and don't care.
-Quebec is not becoming more English-speaking, in fact, I believe the exact opposite is true, in Quebec's long-term history.

[Michael Fisher]

Si Qu?bec veut prot?ger sa culture, il devra reconna?tre que la culture d'un pays, en g?n?ral, ne peut pas subsister c?te ? c?te avec un monopole de force.

Sous un gouvernement, une culture ne sera en aucune fa?on faire ?tabli uniformement dans aucune r?gion. Sans un gouvernement, des cultures pourraient ?tre ?tabli dans toutes les r?gions.

En vrai libert?, si quelqu'un n'aime pas la culture d'une r?gion, il pourrait trouver une culture agr?able dans une autre r?gion. Avec des monopoles de force partout dans le monde, comme aujourd'hui, personne ne peut pas trouver la libert?, et donc une culture ne peut pas se concentrer.

La libert? ne sera pas parfaite -- nous l'ignorons, en fait -- mais c'est la bonne chose de faire si nous voulons que la soci?t? et nos relations soient compatibles avec la nature humaine.