Group fights against "the tax Pledge"

[shyfrog]

Live Free or Die (Hard) 

Yippie-ki-yay Motherfucker:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0337978/

indeed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9eCSav9x0

[FrankChodorov]

Let me ask some questions of those who filed the previous posts.

1.  The overall property tax bill in NH has been rising at the rate of 7.5% per year over the past six years.  Many people can't keep up, particularly retirees, the disabled, and people who lose their jobs.  Is it fair to continually increase the taxes of people whose incomes do not increase?

2.  If your answer to the first question if 'yes,' do you think we should do something about it?

3.  If your answer to the second question is 'yes,' what should we do?  To cut one person's taxes, someone else must pay more.  Are you willing to pay more property tax, so that those who are overtaxed can get relief?

4.  If you don't want to pay more in property tax, can you think some other tax we can increase or create to provide property tax relief?  Keep in mind that NH has pretty much maxed out on narrow-based taxes.

5.  We could consider broad-based taxes to reduce the broad-based local property tax.  A statewide property tax would shift some tax burden from 'property rich' towns to 'property-poor towns.'  An income tax would shift the burden from lower and middle income homeowners to the wealthy (the 12% of households making over approximately $125,000 have half the income in the state).  A sales tax would result in less of a shift than an income tax, but it probably would kill jobs in the retail sector.  Would you consider any of these?  Would you be willing to ditch 'the Pledge if we could cut property taxes?'

It is good to be frugal, and everyone enjoys low taxes.  The question is, 'low for whom?'  The wealthy enjoy very low taxes in NH.  Retirees suffer under high taxes.  Business taxes are also very high in NH.  Who's getting the 'New Hampshire advantage?'

land values appreciate over time while buildings depreciate and the reason why is land is fixed and populations increase (also as positive externalities from the labor of your neighbors to improve their land) while buildings eventually fall down via entropy.

the tax on land has nothing to do with one's ability to pay - it is compensation to those you exclude from natural opportunities provided by nature and society - these benefits should accrue to all in common as an individual equal access birth right.

there is no need for anyone to loose their house -  a simple lien will do recouped at title transfer for the difference rather than an exemption.

the property tax should be modified in such a way that all taxation should fall on those who receive a government granted privilege to exclusive use of what nature provide us all to have an equal access opportunity right to and be taken off of labor and capital.

[FTL_Ian]

indeed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9eCSav9x0

I hope it's not too nationalistic.   

[TEBON]

I got an idea for Southern NHites but it wouldn't work. . . first the idea

Get your kids, get a bunch of them together, give them crayons and coloring books

now meet allt he others, pay a monthly fee, hire a bus driver, get a bus, or drive your own kids to MA for their schooling.  MA takes people from Puerto Rico, MA takes all illegal aliens. . . drive them there, get their schooling, NH pays nothing to teach your kids.

Now the problems:  getting your kids to NH, after all, you all seem to work in NH.  Problem 2. . . having your kids being taught the things they teach in MA. . . that everyone should be gay and that Ted Kennedy is the greatest politician of all time.  Keep your kids out those days.

I don't know, a silly idea sure, of course you could homeschool, as I'm planning to do. . . I won't have my kid turn into one of these Harvard college kids. . . silly, knows nothing about the world around them, and can't even cook their own dinner. . .

and my kid will never spell 'not too much here' like n2mh (on a term paper!)-- I've seen it.

How about cutting spending?

Here you go, talking crazy again!

[Pat McCotter]

Let me ask some questions of those who filed the previous posts.

1.  The overall property tax bill in NH has been rising at the rate of 7.5% per year over the past six years.  Many people can't keep up, particularly retirees, the disabled, and people who lose their jobs.  Is it fair to continually increase the taxes of people whose incomes do not increase?

Why are town/school budgets increasing faster than the consumer price index? That is why the property taxes are increasing and that is what is unfair.

2.  If your answer to the first question if 'yes,' do you think we should do something about it?

Yes.

3.  If your answer to the second question is 'yes,' what should we do?  To cut one person's taxes, someone else must pay more.  Are you willing to pay more property tax, so that those who are overtaxed can get relief?

Cut spending at all levels of government.

4.  If you don't want to pay more in property tax, can you think some other tax we can increase or create to provide property tax relief?  Keep in mind that NH has pretty much maxed out on narrow-based taxes.

Again, cut spending. It is not a choice between taxes but a choice of "to spend or not."

5.  We could consider broad-based taxes to reduce the broad-based local property tax.  A statewide property tax would shift some tax burden from 'property rich' towns to 'property-poor towns.'  An income tax would shift the burden from lower and middle income homeowners to the wealthy (the 12% of households making over approximately $125,000 have half the income in the state).  A sales tax would result in less of a shift than an income tax, but it probably would kill jobs in the retail sector.  Would you consider any of these?  Would you be willing to ditch 'the Pledge if we could cut property taxes?'

It is good to be frugal, and everyone enjoys low taxes.  The question is, 'low for whom?'  The wealthy enjoy very low taxes in NH.  Retirees suffer under high taxes.  Business taxes are also very high in NH.  Who's getting the 'New Hampshire advantage?'

Frugality is what is missing in many of our towns/cities and in our state. Cut the spending on things that the government should not be doing.

[Rosie the Riveter]

I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

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I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

[Rosie the Riveter]

I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

Well... there are a few lawyers that I like, and even consider friends, though not this particular one --

This particular lawyer ran for governor in NH and said if elected he would advocate for an income tax. He lost  but here he is working with and speaking for this anti-pledge tax group. Humm, yet the group says it does not take a stance on how they would change the tax structure? Bull, in my opintion, this proves that this is a pro-income tax group.

[Spencer]

I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

What about me?

[Rosie the Riveter]

I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

What about me?

:whp2: ?   

[Dreepa]

I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

What about me?

That was my first thought... and then Dan was my second thought.

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The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

What about me?

You should quit your immoral job.

[d_goddard]

I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

Hmmm... sounds like violent hate speech. You're going to get Russ, Kat, and Ian landed in jail for running a dangerous website. Shakespeare, violent islamic extremism.... basically the same thing, right?!!

[Lloyd Danforth]

I hate to give anyone any ideas but it's interesting that fairtaxman didn't hide his e-mail address. 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

What about me?

Yeah!  and a close relative of mine

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The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

Hmmm... sounds like violent hate speech. You're going to get Russ, Kat, and Ian landed in jail for running a dangerous website. Shakespeare, violent islamic extremism.... basically the same thing, right?!!

But... lawyers aren't people, they're sharks!