Pistol license form factor

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Yeah, I know. I'm just pointing out the irony of a police chief not wanting to follow the law.

[TEBON]

is it really that out of this world?  Possibly in NH. . . I know in MA, when left to Police Chiefs to issue, they'll issue by any means they feel like (or not issue)

take the police chief of Lawrence, a hispanic in a former mill town ravaged by illegal immigration and scumbags at that.  He's got issues to tend to, but took the time to not issue a gun permit to my friend.  Of course, my friend is white, and white people shouldn't be allowed to have guns. . . my friend didn't help his cause either, to be fair.

He told the assistant chief that he was getting a gun for protection from illegals who all have guns on his street.  The Chief came out and said that illegals doing crimes was their problem, and that he didn't need a gun, that's what they're for.  He told them that they do a piss poor job and he would take the law into his own hands when they come onto his land.  Denied.

But the Chief is known to protect his people, look at what he did to that returning Iraqi soldier. . . a white guy who shot out of his window to protect his family from the hispanic underworld that is so relevant in Lawrence. . . brought up on charges and everything. 

Sorry, I guess it's only racism if it is white on other colors.  Either way it's silly, and furthermore, I don't care if the scumbags are purple, if they come on my land with weapons drawn, they're going to get a lead enema.  No "police chief" will tell me otherwise. . . .legal or not.

But it does sound much easier and much more legal in NH.

[Pat McCotter]

But it does sound much easier and much more legal in NH.

It is much easier. And it is just as legal in NH as it is in MA. There are just different laws in the two states. MA law says that Chiefs of Police can issue or not. NH law says towns/cities shall issue.

[TEBON]

It is much easier. And it is just as legal in NH as it is in MA. There are just different laws in the two states. MA law says that Chiefs of Police can issue or not. NH law says towns/cities shall issue.

I sit here like a little kid getting a new toy, all giddy.  But then I think, it's something that seems like common sense to me.  It'd be like MA making you get a license to breathe air.  Oh crap I hope I didn't just give them another idea.

[Tyler Stearns]

I just applied for my permit.  The lady said they need to do a background check and I should come back in 10-14 days.  I didn't realize you had to do that.  Either way, I'm not a convicted felon, domestic abuser, or crazy person so I should get it with no problem. 

[mvpel]

The 14 days is a deadline upon the issuing authority, not a waiting period.  They MUST issue or deny by the 14th day or they are in violation of the law and can be sued.

They cannot ask for fingerprints, photographs, reference letters, extra forms, etc.  What's on the form is what they get.  The background check is normal for larger towns where the person in question isn't known personally or indirectly, they just run it through the state police.

Also, it's a "license," not a "permit" - think of the difference between "marriage license" vs. "marriage permit."

Welcome to New Hampshire!  The Gun Owners of New Hampshire meeting is tonight at 7pm at the Concord Holiday Inn, come on by.

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I just applied for my permit.  The lady said they need to do a background check and I should come back in 10-14 days.  I didn't realize you had to do that.  Either way, I'm not a convicted felon, domestic abuser, or crazy person so I should get it with no problem. 

Yes there is a state and local background check for getting a CHL not sure about Federal or not. That's basically the only function that licensing serves in NH.

[Tyler Stearns]

The 14 days is a deadline upon the issuing authority, not a waiting period.  They MUST issue or deny by the 14th day or they are in violation of the law and can be sued.

They cannot ask for fingerprints, photographs, reference letters, extra forms, etc.  What's on the form is what they get.  The background check is normal for larger towns where the person in question isn't known personally or indirectly, they just run it through the state police.

I can see how taking that much time might be nice for a bigger town but my town is about 2000 people.  I also just ran for State Rep so it's not like they haven't seen my name before or don't know who I am.  Oh well.

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And for those of us who are easily confused, what's the substantive difference between a "license" and a "permit"?

[Tyler Stearns]

And for those of us who are easily confused, what's the substantive difference between a "license" and a "permit"?

Yes.  I don't think there is much practical difference.  But apparently this is a 'license'.

[mvpel]

The word "permit" appears nowhere in the statutes.

Think of the phrases "marriage permit" vs. "marriage license," or "drivers permit" vs. "drivers license" - do they have a different feel to them?  Same basic idea.

"Permit" stems from the word "permission," and while we're stuck with it, we shouldn't encourage thinking in terms of "permission" to exercise the fundamental human right of self-defense.

[Tyler Stearns]

"Permit" stems from the word "permission," and while we're stuck with it, we shouldn't encourage thinking in terms of "permission" to exercise the fundamental human right of self-defense.

We shouldn't have licensing to exercise rights either.  One thing where I stand firmly on principles is gun rights.

[KBCraig]

Think of the phrases "marriage permit" vs. "marriage license," or "drivers permit" vs. "drivers license" - do they have a different feel to them?

No. They feel the same: like asking the government for permission to do something that is none of their business.

"Permit" stems from the word "permission," and while we're stuck with it, we shouldn't encourage thinking in terms of "permission" to exercise the fundamental human right of self-defense.

Whether it's called a permit, a license, or a rutabaga, the penalty for not having one is the same. And currently in NH (like most states), you do need the permission of the state, in the form of a "license", to exercise that fundamental right.

Kevin

[Dreepa]

It always felt sort of PCish.

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"Permit" stems from the word "permission," and while we're stuck with it, we shouldn't encourage thinking in terms of "permission" to exercise the fundamental human right of self-defense.

You missed the point, I'm afraid. We should be EXPOSING this thinking where it exists -- and it does. And then working to eradicate it from the face of the planet.