Sign the First 1000 pledge!

[Russell Kanning]

1)  One of the libertarian ideals that my son has drilled into me is the importance of personal privacy.  After hanging out on this forum for a number of months, I continue to be surprised when some of you write/reveal private emails, or conversations, or real names of posters (whether they are trolls or not, I don't care).  It just seems rather hypocritical to me.
3)  If I was considering locating to another state to join folks who shared my political beliefs, I would find all this "in fighting" so immature, unprofessional, and just plain ridiculous, that I would not be able to take the FSP seriously and -- frankly -- couldn't help but think a lot of you are kooks. 

I guess I am not as into personal privacy as some "libertarians" ... so sue me.
I personally am trying to recruit as many immature revolutionaries into The Shire as possible.

[error]

I am very much into personal privacy, and I go to great lengths to protect others' privacy -- unless they're government bureaucrats.

[shyfrog]

The LP of Utah has to get 2000 signatures before February.
The election board will throw out 500 of those signatures.
We will have to get at least 2500 signatures in order to be legit.

So, is it safe to say the same about the First 1000?
250 signatures will need to be considered fraudulent and thrown out?

Question: How many have been removed thus far?

[Rocketman]

1)  One of the libertarian ideals that my son has drilled into me is the importance of personal privacy.  After hanging out on this forum for a number of months, I continue to be surprised when some of you write/reveal private emails, or conversations, or real names of posters (whether they are trolls or not, I don't care).  It just seems rather hypocritical to me.
3)  If I was considering locating to another state to join folks who shared my political beliefs, I would find all this "in fighting" so immature, unprofessional, and just plain ridiculous, that I would not be able to take the FSP seriously and -- frankly -- couldn't help but think a lot of you are kooks. 

I guess I am not as into personal privacy as some "libertarians" ... so sue me.
I personally am trying to recruit as many immature revolutionaries into The Shire as possible.

Every once in a long while, I feel like telling you to grow the f*** up, Russell, and this is one of those times.  How does all this frivolity fit into your Jesus/Gandhi/Thoreau paradigm?

[FTL_Ian]

Harm has already come from this.  I hope more harm will not follow.

Harm?  What, a few posts on a message board?  Drop in the bucket.   

[Rocketman]

Harm has already come from this.  I hope more harm will not follow.

Harm?  What, a few posts on a message board?  Drop in the bucket.  

I hope you're right, Ian.  But I'm not at all happy about recent developments.  If anybody ever posts a private email from me on a public message board, without my permission, that person will lose my respect and my trust.  And as for fraud, I'd like to think we could leave "vote early, vote often" to the Republicans and Democrats. 

We're supposed to be better than they are... are we?

Only time will tell.  Time and actions...

[FTL_Ian]

"Recent developments"?  All that has happened is that the fraud that has been happening has been brought to the forefront.  The fraud has been there all year, it's only now that we're talking about it.

[varrin]

If you wanted to be less than honest and manufacture fake F1K signers, you'll find this site useful:

http://dodgeit.com

For those of you who don't think fraud or the suggestion of ways to commit fraud could possibly be a problem, here's a quote from pledgebank tech support regarding 54(!) names removed from the pledge yesterday:  "every signature I removed was extremely dubious - they were all created using the fake email server @dodgeit.com."

Great suggestion Ian...

V-

[Michael Fisher]

The FSP has been adamant about removing people from its ranks for quite some time, even for minor reasons. I do not like how the practice has been pursued in the past.

Signing up fake people isn't good, though. 

Some of us here have more cheerful and casual personalities, and some have more strict, hard-line, uptight personalities (*coughmecough*). Things even out when we work together on issues like this in a mature and responsible way.

[Michael Fisher]

Russell is an honest man. I strongly believe he would never do anything dishonest.

He's not a big activist on the issue of privacy like many of us are, but that's okay.

[FSPinNY]

The FSP has been adamant about removing people from its ranks for quite some time, even for minor reasons. I do not like how the practice has been pursued in the past.

Mike,

Since I have been responsible for the membership area (~2 yrs), very few have been removed. Three for their death, two for blatant and public racism, and about 8 per year at their specific request.  There has been no removal of members for 'minor' reasons that I am aware of.  Each new signup is 'viewed' for obvious spam and fraud and the integrity of the FSP database is excellent.

Brian

[Rocketman]

"Recent developments"?  All that has happened is that the fraud that has been happening has been brought to the forefront.  The fraud has been there all year, it's only now that we're talking about it.

It's obvious there was a major uptick in phony signatures after Dec. 16.  Posting the "dodgeit" link was a bonehead move, Ian.  Ten days ago we were all excited by the very real increase in signups that was earned by serious, concentrated activism.  Today we are squabbling with each other, and it will be hard for the FSP to move forward until we put this First 1K thing to bed.

Russell is an honest man. I strongly believe he would never do anything dishonest.

He's not a big activist on the issue of privacy like many of us are, but that's okay.

I've never known Russell to be anything less than honest.  "Frivolous" is a much lesser charge, one I assume he wouldn't argue with, given his stated focus on recruiting "immature revolutionaries."

[citizen_142002]

I think a lot of valid signatures have been deleted as well as phony ones. People have noted that real signatures are being deleted. I'm sure that some of that spike was fake, but I'm also willing to bet that much of it was legitimate. I want to know how pledgebank is determing what's phony.


In any event, I'd like to appeal to those of you who usually don't care about what the FSP is doing to get on board and help with phone calls and e-mails for First 1000. I think that getting First 1000 sucessfully accomplished will help insure momentum for the FSP and our activism here. Simply put, it is important. If First 1000 flops, I don't know that we'll get enough movers to make a difference, and I don't think that we can improve things in New Hampshire with the current numbers. I know that many people who moved so far are content to just do their part and ignore whether others come. That's well and good, but the power of any movements lies in numbers, and frankly we ain't got the numbers yet.

Even if you just ask one or two people, it would be a really big help.

[Lex]

People have noted that real signatures are being deleted. ... Even if you just ask one or two people, it would be a really big help.

What good is asking people to sing up if their signatures will get deleted. I bet we've probably already had at least 100 legitimate signatures deleted. I saw the total go down more than just a few times, I bet that there is someone at pledgebank maliciously deleting these signatures.

- lex

[citizen_142002]

This is where some e-mailing comes in handy. If you think that pledgebank is being overzealous, send them a really nasty e-mail. Threaten to give them bad press on blogs or... nationally syndicated radio shows.

I'd really like a list of deletions from pledgebank or the FSP, so that we can try to get in touch with legitimate signators who've been deleted. I think there has been a kind of witch hunt in the name of countering fraud, and a lot of real pledges are being tossed out the window.

Is there some way to contact those who've been deleted, and ask them to resubmit, as well as inform them what might have thrown up a red flag.

In fighting isn't going to get us anywhere. Time is really short on this thing. I want to see First 1000 suceed, and I think it is vital to table all the personal baggage until after Dec 31.
Varrin, Ian, and anyone else who's in the inside circle with this stuff. Please communicate with each other, and move forward quickly. Let's do everything legitimate that we can to make First 1000 a sucess.

After the deadline, we can take all the time in the world to flame each other, and call names, and take sides. If we do that now, there is no way the First 1000 will come out the way we ALL want it to.

Agreed?