Sign the First 1000 pledge!

[burnthebeautiful]

lol

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http://www.pledgebank.com/last200

Sorry, something's gone wrong?

[burnthebeautiful]

The last 25 or so signatures were just deleted by someone, we're back to 789...

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Oh, surely, nobody would actually CHEAT!

[FTL_Ian]

The last 25 or so signatures were just deleted by someone, we're back to 789...

Not sure how that could have happened.  There's no way to remove signatures that I can see...

[burnthebeautiful]

Yeah, you'd think they'd let us decide which signups are shady, rather than decide for us.

[JonM]

I was asking them about what could be done to check for questonable signups.  Then that happened.

[burnthebeautiful]

I was asking them about what could be done to check for questonable signups.  Then that happened.

So you'd rather see the first 1000 fail and have 0 people move, than have the last 200 signups be fake and have 800 people move?

[KurtDaBear]

I was asking them about what could be done to check for questonable signups.  Then that happened.

Karma to you.  I don't want to be joining a band of cheaters.  I haven't been a libertarian for more than 30 years because I believe in winning by any means.  That's the province of democrats, republicans, communists, nazis, and the other present and former ruling political parties of the world.

[Rocketman]

I was asking them about what could be done to check for questonable signups.  Then that happened.

So you'd rather see the first 1000 fail and have 0 people move, than have the last 200 signups be fake and have 800 people move?

Yes, but in reality, several hundred will move by 2008 regardless.

[Braddogg]

I was asking them about what could be done to check for questonable signups.  Then that happened.

So you'd rather see the first 1000 fail and have 0 people move, than have the last 200 signups be fake and have 800 people move?

It'd be a violation of the F1K pledge.  The Pledge says that I'll move up if 999 others agree to move up.  If you fake 200 people, then the Pledge isn't really being fulfilled.  Plus, you'd be a liar.  Ends don't justify means -- that's statist thinking.

[shyfrog]

Well, I've signed for 3 (myself, my wife, and my 16 yr old who is in college).
I figure the other four children are minors and won't be of voting age by 2008 anyway.
But, if I raise them in New Hampshire using libertarian/freedom values, then they may also become a positive influence on the movement.

Of course, some kids end up following a totally different path than you intended or hoped for...

[Braddogg]

Of course, some kids end up following a totally different path than you intended or hoped for...

Haha, I'm evidence of that -- statist parents make anarchist baby.  I think signing the F1K on behalf of each member of your family is a bit different than making up people at fake e-mail addresses . . . .

BTW, your 16-year-old is in college?  Wow!  What's he/she want to do?

[shyfrog]

We homeschool all our kids until they decide they want to stay homeschooled or try something else.
He decided to go to public school for a particular program our jr. high offered called "4 hour science". He ended up being skipped forward a grade and put into AP classes. He spent a good 60% of his school day out in the field studying geology, biology, and other physical sciences.

He was then invited to a brand new charter high school program that had a building on the local college campus and he will be graduating this next semester with an Associates in Chemistry (minoring in Japanese) a month before he gets his HS diploma AND a couple months before he turns 17.

He's not sure what he wants to do in the long run, but he knows it has something to do with chemical engineering. He also wants to teach English in Japan.

[Barterer]

http://www.pledgebank.com/last200

Damn you Money Dollars, I expected a cutting parody like the Free Lunch Project!  Lazy bastard.  I shake my monkey-paw at you ferociously.  If you wrote one and it got deleted, my apologies.

So you'd rather see the first 1000 fail and have 0 people move, than have the last 200 signups be fake and have 800 people move?

It's not so all-or-nothing.  There's no way 800 people would move based on a known-fraudulent pledge (and I have a feeling most first100ers aren't stupid ) and there are people like Ian who moved/would move regardless of the number achieved.  Better to keep the integrity of the pledge and count on those of us who's line of thinking is like this: 

"Subtracting out bullshit-pledgers, about 700 people are going based on the "1000 pledge"  and very few of those are going to cheese out if the official number comes up 200 short." 

So I figure that those who signed the pledge and are serious about it, will say "close enough" and move anyway. 

Technically, the pledge says " "I will move to New Hampshire by 12/31/2008 where I will work to bring about a society in which government?s maximum role is protecting life, liberty, and property but only if 999 other liberty minded individuals will too." ..meaning that if the 1000 number is not met, we have pledged to not move to New Hampshire by the end of 2008.  Well if the pledge bars me from moving in that timeframe, I'm sorry to say that I may have to break it   Sure my wife announced her pregnancy, which is a factor that threatened to keep us in compliance with the pledge, but I think I will break it anyway.