Al loses land

[Michael Fisher]

Al,

It was great meeting you at the Manchester Airport protest last year. 

I'm sorry about what happened to you.

Thank you for your dedication to liberty and the victory you have already contributed to.

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Representative Alfred P. Baldasaro  (r)

Holy cow! Al is a rep!

Yes, and he visits this forum from time to time, too!

As a State Rep, I have the opportunity to hold people accountable, so it does not happen again. I did testify on the Emminent Domain bil that eventually made it to the ballot and passed.

[APB]

what a surprise .... the system decided in its own favor.

You can't win inside the system.

I could not beat them on the outside but I will sure try on the inside.

[Lex]

what a surprise .... the system decided in its own favor.

You can't win inside the system.

I could not beat them on the outside but I will sure try on the inside.

I think what Russell was trying to say is that you should just go ahead and build the home for your children. To hell with the bureaucratic thugs. The rules are rigged and if you keep playing by their rules you will always lose.

Lauren and Jim got letters telling them to stop building their barn and they kept building anyways, then they got a letter of appology. If you do what is truely right you have a chance of winning, if you just follow their rules you will always lose.

Sorry to be so pessimistic but after a while of the government taking and taking and taking things from you and the people around you, you can't help but feel a little hopeless.

[APB]

Thanks,
As a Retired US Marine I am focused and when I get knocked of one hill I am ready to go back and take it another way.

I am not ready to build anything as of now but down the road I will move forward one way or another.

Thanks,

AL

[d_goddard]

and here I thought APB stood for 'All Points Bulletin'

Al, I'm looking forward to watching every roll-call vote you make

[TEBON]

it'd be a shame for that judge to lose his land by eminent domain.

it'd be more of a shame to, um, "break down" on the roadway, causing miles and miles of backup, every day. 

Funny, I've got a car that's about to break down. . .guess I'll have to store it till the road is built.  :sarcasm: I wan't to be the first to drive it.

[Dreepa]

The crazy thing is that the land is NOT for the road.. it is to 'make up for the wetlands'  what a piece of crap....

Thieves

wetlands are connected with our groundwater supply which is managed as an integrated whole owned in common as an individual equal access opportunity right with the state as the public trustee.

the state's role as the public trustee is limited to:

1. protect the integrity of the groundwater as an integrated whole for future generations
2. protect each individual's rights of equal access.

land which original starts out as owned in common is privately enclosed for exclusive use via privilege (private law) with the justification that it enhances the common good - why else would we do it?

if it can be shown objectively that taking back the privilege of exclusive use via market value compensation and returning the common right of way that will exist within the collectively owned road (as it did across all land prior to exclusive use) enhances the common good then the use of force to accomplish this is justified just as the use of force to establish and maintain the privilege of exclusive use is justified by enhancing the common good (private exlusive use leads to surpluses that can support several multiples of people over the numbers that can be supported via hunting and gathering tribalism).

Frank then why not just grab any land? Why THAT land?

Also the Dam had a 50 year lease.. there would be no 'wetlands' if the dam wasn't there.
ED is very simple..... stealing. It really doesn't get any easier than that.
I met someone working for the NHDOT who was involved with this and I gave him a ration of shit.  He asked me if I lived over there or was related to anyone who had their land taken.  and asked why I cared.  I almost started screaming.  I asked him if I should just start borrowing his car without asking.....
Damn this sucks!!!!!!!!!

[Russell Kanning]

....with the state as the public trustee.

I don't acknowledge the state as trustee .... they do bad things like take Al's land.

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Using force to enhance the common good is justified?!?

Now I remember why almost everybody has Frank on ignore...

[aworldnervelink]

Also the Dam had a 50 year lease.. there would be no 'wetlands' if the dam wasn't there.

Exactly... this whole wetlands things is a crock. Those of you who have been to my house may have noticed the line of trees/bushes that slashes across the lot behind the parking area. This is designated a wetland and has actual markers fastened to the trees. The builder told me he was not allowed to touch it when he was working on the lot.

The only problem is that this is a manmade drainage channel. If you walk the path of the water flow you will see large boulders that appear to have been placed... they are overgrown now but still form a culvert. It's most obvious where it reaches the brook at the back of the lot... there is an artificial pile of stones.

[FrankChodorov]

Using force to enhance the common good is justified?!?

what do you think is the justification for the privilege of exclusive use which is based on force?

what had been freely accessed before is no longer available backed by the force of the state or in the case of anarchy by private guns...

the only reason to do it is because it enhances the common good - the surpluses that can be produced by exclusive use can support many multiples of people via voluntary trade.

[Tom Sawyer]

Bill talk with forked tongue... 

[FrankChodorov]

Frank then why not just grab any land?

you have to show objectively that it enhances the common good...

Why THAT land?

because they needed to take wetlands where the road was going and inorder to protect the integrity of the common asset - an integrated system of surface and groundwater - they needed to replace what they took.

Also the Dam had a 50 year lease.. there would be no 'wetlands' if the dam wasn't there.

that is exactly what the homeowner was hoping to capitalize on (the water would be drained to create a buildable lot)- except I don't believe the dam is on the property in question.

ED is very simple..... stealing. It really doesn't get any easier than that.

you have to understand it in the context of property principles from a classical liberal point of view based on common law when the takings clause of the 5th amendment was added to the bill of rights.

the common good is enhanced by private exclusive use of land from what had originally started out as common ownership (hunters and gatherers) and it has to be shown objectively that the public will benefit to return it to common use - the individual common right of way within the collectively owned roadway.

I asked him if I should just start borrowing his car without asking...

a car is produced via human labor while the land is not.

[FrankChodorov]

Bill talk with forked tongue... 

actually the native americans would say that the white man's belief in individual ownership of land was "speaking with a forked tongue"...