Rural Pennsylvania becoming a police state

[wolf]

I chose to live in rural Pennsylvania because up until recent years one was pretty much left alone by government and free to do what one wants; It was almost as if time stopped about 1920. Many of the townships had no zoning, no code enforcement assholes, no building code and very low taxes. I could ride my hog around all day and never see a cop.

Now everything that made rural PA a good place to live is being taken away. The roads are saturated with state troopers and still the politicians are calling for more cops. The PA legislature is working on a bill that will provide funding for 10,000 additional state troopers state wide. The Wayne County jail is full and now they are building a new jail and of course raising taxes to pay for it. Most of the inmates are there for DUI and petty drug offenses not violent crime. The county property tax was increased by 31% in 1 shot at the beginning of 2006 and now the township where I live is going up by another 10%. What does this get you:

1)The Pennsylvania Universal Construction Code. This forced rural townships that previously had no zoning or inspections to require them. We now need a permit for simple jobs such as paneling a bedroom. The townships now all have code enforcement officers driving around breaking balls and of course the taxes were increased to pay for it.

2)The 911 addressing project. I can no longer be a back woods hillbillie that doesn't have an address and no one can find. I am now geo-located and the pigs can put my name in their patrol car computer and the location is displayed on a map. THIS PISSES ME OFF BIGTIME. They just passed a new ordinance making us post the 911 address at the end of the driveway so we can be located easier by the pigs

3)The ubiquitous and increasing police presence is making me paranoid. I can no longer go to my favorite bar and have a few beers without being overcome with fear and paranoia about being stopped at a DUI checkpoint.

4)The state troopers are now doing helicopter patrols over rural land and if they see a green patch they raid your place looking for weed
   

Where can you go to be left alone. I heard a story about a rancher in South Dakota that added a deck to his house in the middle of no ware. The township found out about it somehow and broke his balls because he didn't have a permit. The list of infringements goes on and on until we are all, disarmed, have our property expropriated and incarcerated in civilian labor camps. I am one depressed hillbillie and feel at times I am just losing my grip on everything

[error]

Back in the USSA...

Since you're here, I would guess you're looking into New Hampshire. We all have our different reasons, but we all came to the same conclusion: that NH was the place to come and make a stand for freedom.

In regard to one of your issues, I seem to recall from my days as a phone company employee that the 911 addressing thing came down as a government mandate. Sooner or later every place in the country with a telephone line running to it, or capable of having a telephone line run to it, will have a "911 address." Most already do at this point. I remember during the changeover taking calls from linemen asking where the hell so-and-so address was, because Verizon had already cut everyone's addresses over to the 911 addresses in their database, sometimes before they'd even been marked or anybody had been informed of their "new" address! The switchover was a nightmare, but it did have up sides: It became easier for some rural people to get their phone lines installed or serviced, once everybody was on the same page. But as you mentioned, everybody got located, too.

[wolf]

The 911 addressing project is passed of as a public safety issue but in reality getting help to someone in an emergency is a secondary concern. The primary reason for 911 addresses is so the govgoons can easily find you if they want you. I get no mail delivery to my home; all my mail gets delivered to a post office box. As soon as the 911 addresses went live the post office insisted that I come in with 2 forms of id and proof of residence. I consider this an unacceptable invasion of privacy and tried with no luck to get the ACLU interested in the issue. IT IS NO ONE'S FUCKING BUSINESS WHERE I LIVE!!!!!!!

[error]

In earlier days I would have recommended a private mailbox, but now the government requires them to check ID and give all your information to the post office anyway.

[wolf]

As for moving to NH, I don't know if I could start over somewhere else at my age (57). Im self employed but just living hand to mouth. I have been in my own business too long to start working a regular job at this stage in my life. I fantasized about moving to Montana but can't afford to go anywhere, besides climate change has put the whole Western US in a sustained drought with all those wildfires. It would be nice to visit NH and check it out if my truck could make it there.

[error]

I know there are several people who moved in their 50s. Maybe even later than that.

Also being self employed, but not making particularly much money, the question for me is not whether I can afford to move. It's whether I can afford NOT to. So I'm moving very soon.

[KBCraig]

I know there are several people who moved in their 50s. Maybe even later than that.

Lloyd is moving. 

[KurtDaBear]

As for moving to NH, I don't know if I could start over somewhere else at my age (57).

I'm 62 and retired, and I signed the pledge last week.

[Kat Kanning]

Wow, that really sucks.

[wolf]

If I come for a visit to check out NH, is there a motel around keene that doesn't demand id upon check in? I have slept in my truck on more than one occasion because no motel would give me a room without id. this whole id, "show your papers" thing makes me crazy

[wolf]

The Latest PA outrage

I have a rental property that the tenant has agreed to buy. Real estate transactions are handled by abstractors in PA. I sent the deed and the buyer's name to the abstractor and about a day later I get a call and the first thing the abstractor asks is ?what is your Social Security Number Socialist Slave Number. I said politely that I don't give out that information and thought that was the end of it. A couple of days later I get a letter about the sale with ?please provide this office with your SSN and DOB? highlighted. The letter was followed up by another phone call demanding the same information- this time I spoke the the girl in an angry tone of voice explaining that ?this info is none of your FU****G business and you are pissing me off big time by demanding it.  The girl went on to explain that she is required by PA and federal law to collect this info and do a patriot act and  PA domestic relations law search using the SSN and she won't do the closing without it. I replied that she failing in her duty to represent me in this transaction and in reality acting as an agent of the control freak shit heads in Washington and Harrisburg. This bull shit has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with citizen control. This appears to be a no win situation. If I get asked for ID and a physical address at the closing I really may go over the edge.

Anybody have any suggestions

[Dreepa]

Anybody have any suggestions

I suppose you would have to look up the laws and bring them with you.
Also I think that there is something that says that you only have to provide your SSN to the IRS and SSA.  There was a letter that was posted (and since taken down) in the Ed Brown thread, that mentions that.

[Lex]

I would show them whatever they want so you can sell your property and then get the hell out of there.

[wolf]

If the patriot act search requirement is federal law then real estate closers from all states including NH will demand this info

[Lex]

If the patriot act search requirement is federal law then real estate closers from all states including NH will demand this info

But in NH you will find folks who would be willing to buy and sell things outside the system. One day you may even be able to get a mortgage outside the system.