Mexicans fly their flag above the United States' flag

[Caleb]

You have no right to steal money from people to create public schools in the first place.  A US flag purchased by thugs with stolen money, on property that was bought with stolen money, this US flag was disgraced by foreigners.  Big deal!  If Mexicans come to YOUR HOUSE, Jane, and do something to your flag, then I will be mildly upset.  But until then, don't come here with pretended outrage that the big criminals have been attacked by the petty criminals!

[CNHT]

You have no right to steal money from people to create public schools in the first place.

With this I have never disagreed. And I wasn't the one who 'stole' the money to create the schools. I had it stolen from me and still do.

A US flag purchased by thugs with stolen money, on property that was bought with stolen money, this US flag was disgraced by foreigners.  Big deal!

Um well it's not the actual flag I was concerned about, but what the significance of the whole act was.

If Mexicans come to YOUR HOUSE, Jane, and do something to your flag, then I will be mildly upset.

Well I wouldn't, because it's not about a 'flag' and you know it. It's what the message was behind the act....which is...that they feel it's OK to do what they are doing.

But until then, don't come here with pretended outrage that the big criminals have been attacked by the petty criminals!

Trouble is Caleb, they are not attacking the 'big' criminals. They are attacking innocent individuals who happen to live at the border, who worked to own their land just like anyone else. They have the right to keep their property no matter what the 'big' criminals did.

Are you like the doctor in Sweden who wouldn't treat the American woman? So we are Americans and deserve to be killed and stolen from? Why not just hand over what you own to everyone who demands it just to make up for your lousy government? That is rather juvenile thinking.

But not only that it is discriminiation at its worst. But then again, people who ascribe to political correctness are usually hypocrites.

I hope you won't be one, you won't be taken seriously for anything else if you are.

[Caleb]

Well I wouldn't, because it's not about a 'flag' and you know it. It's what the message was behind the act....which is...that they feel it's OK to do what they are doing.

No, Jane, you said that the message is about property:  You say that they feel that they have the right to come onto someone else's property and claim it.

But the "property" was a government school.  If they did that to a flag on your property, I would be mildly upset.  Not, as you correctly note, because of the indignity to the flag.  Rather, I would be upset that they had aggressed your property.

But a school gets no such sympathy from me, as it was stolen from people in the first place.

[Lloyd Danforth]

OK, Jane I read some insane thing you posted this morning and was going to make you prove, then I thought why bother.  Then, tonight, you claim some people were run off of their land by illegals and, I though I should make you prove it and again thought why bother.

Then in the following post you accused some members of this forum of being 'One Worlders'

Name names. 

[CNHT]

Well I wouldn't, because it's not about a 'flag' and you know it. It's what the message was behind the act....which is...that they feel it's OK to do what they are doing.

No, Jane, you said that the message is about property:  You say that they feel that they have the right to come onto someone else's property and claim it.

Because that is what the movement is about. I am not saying they are stealing the school's property. It is about their imperialism with regard to border property and the southwestern states that they feel belong to them  -- the repopulation movement.

But the "property" was a government school.  If they did that to a flag on your property, I would be mildly upset.  Not, as you correctly note, because of the indignity to the flag.  Rather, I would be upset that they had aggressed your property.

But a school gets no such sympathy from me, as it was stolen from people in the first place.

Caleb, once again, they were demonstrating at the school about what I said. It is UNDERSTOOD that they were not trying to steal the SCHOOL property, at that moment. They were showing their might and bravado with regard to the Aztlan movement which says they are going to take back the land for their own.

The school was probably a university which they attend voluntarily anyway...and has nothing to do with the point.
Usually when a school flies different flags it's ceremonial to show welcome to others.

In this case it's to demonstrate their support for the movement, a violent and lawless movement to take whatever they see as theirs.
It's not the same as us flying the Gadsden in protest of taxes or something.

[CNHT]

OK, Jane I read some insane thing you posted this morning and was going to make you prove, then I thought why bother.  Then, tonight, you claim some people were run off of their land by illegals and, I though I should make you prove it and again thought why bother.

Then in the following post you accused some members of this forum of being 'One Worlders'

Name names. 

What insane thing? Anyone who believes in open borders and the destruction of sovereignty is aiding and abetting ONE world government in my opinion whether they realize it or not. Some may not know that there is a push for this from all in control, both parties. You know, the 'not a dime's worth of difference' thing?

They want NO government which aint' gonna happen. If it did, it would be socialism, with no choice. I've always stated that I don't understand how you can be opposed to the UN, and for 'one world' at the same time. No one ever comes up with an explanation for that.

Also there is a thing called Operation Ranch Rescue to fend off attackers at the border. But as I said, it's hard to imagine unless you are in that position yourself, how upsetting it must be to have to do that.


And I have always said that since individuals who come to NH are not doing those things, we are rather insulated from the fighting. So we tend to stick our heads in the sand for those who are invovled.

[Caleb]

They want NO government which aint' gonna happen. If it did, it would be socialism, with no choice. I've always stated that I don't understand how you can be opposed to the UN, and for 'one world' at the same time. No one ever comes up with an explanation for that.

 

Jane, you know what I don't understand.  How can someone be opposed to the UN, and yet in favor of the US?  They are both instruments for the centralization of government.  The US is just one stage below the UN.  If you are a decentralist, you should likewise be opposed to the US government.  If you're not a decentralist, you have no reason to oppose the UN.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Jane when control of this country is handed over to the UN it will be done by your government(50% chance your party) not the Anarchists on this forum.

[CNHT]

They want NO government which aint' gonna happen. If it did, it would be socialism, with no choice. I've always stated that I don't understand how you can be opposed to the UN, and for 'one world' at the same time. No one ever comes up with an explanation for that.

 

Jane, you know what I don't understand.  How can someone be opposed to the UN, and yet in favor of the US?  They are both instruments for the centralization of government.  The US is just one stage below the UN.  If you are a decentralist, you should likewise be opposed to the US government.  If you're not a decentralist, you have no reason to oppose the UN.

I never said I was opposed to multiple governments in multiple countries. Safety in numbers you know? Why shouldn't someone have the freedom to choose? I like to work towards improving, not destroying our country..otherwise what's the point?

Maybe you don't, and want to bring down the US Government completely and that's up to you. But I think you would end up with something worse is what I am saying.

I am opposed to the UN because they want the world under ONE jurisdiction, one central government. That would be worse.

And one of the ways to get that is to erase the borders.

If I followed your logic then you should love Bush because he is facilitating this erasure of borders on the continent. He is dedicated to it, yet you hate him. Why?

He is doing, apparently, just what you want!

[Quantrill]

Ok, so everything the FSP stands for is moot.  We have no legal claim to this land and we may as well give it back to the Natives that 'we' stole it from.



One comment:

How can someone be opposed to the UN, and yet in favor of the US?

Because I was born an American, and believe in the United States Constitution.  Belonging to the UN would violate our sovereignty...  

[CNHT]

Jane when control of this country is handed over to the UN it will be done by your government(50% chance your party) not the Anarchists on this forum.

That's right, I already said that in my last post. They are all run by the same cause.

But I don't get the mindset, which some seem to have,  on how having NO country and NO borders is going to help stop that.

I see that it will only facilitate it.

Oh and even if I thought we should have NO borders, I still do not sanction others stealing property from you.

The fact we have the right to own property privately, automatically means we have 'borders'. Otherwise, why bother with the fact that my land ends where my neighbor's begins?

[CNHT]

Ok, so everything the FSP stands for is moot.  We have no legal claim to this land and we may as well give it back to the Natives that 'we' stole it from.

One comment:

How can someone be opposed to the UN, and yet in favor of the US?

Because I was born an American, and believe in the United States Constitution.  Belonging to the UN would violate our sovereignty...  

Sadly it already does. There is some insane 'green' movement being proposed at town meetings now, and they are trying to scare people about global warming.
This is just a push by the UN to take more and more land into the ownership of government...that is their aim. They don't believe in private property ownership.

By keeping NH and the US sovereign, we stand half a chance against these Marxists.

See the article on the front of www.hennikertaxpayers.org

[Caleb]

That's strange.  I've never met someone who was born in America.  I was born in a piece of land where there are thugs who call themselves "the government of the State of Indiana."  220 years ago, the anti-federalists were making the same claim about the US that you are now making about the UN:  that that centralization of power would destroy the sovereignty of the independent States.  Turns out the anti-federalists were right, as you acknowledge.  Notice, you called yourself "an American" not "a Granite-stater."  So you are a proponent of big, centralized government, Quantril.  You ought to love the New World Order.  One hundred years from now, your great grandchildren will call themselves "citizens of the world," and people who think like you will be labelled "radical extremists".

[CNHT]

That's strange.  I've never met someone who was born in America. 

This does not make sense.

I was born in a piece of land where there are thugs who call themselves "the government of the State of Indiana."  220 years ago, the anti-federalists were making the same claim about the US that you are now making about the UN:  that that centralization of power would destroy the sovereignty of the independent States.  Turns out the anti-federalists were right, as you acknowledge.

Hence the attempt to regain state's rights.

Notice, you called yourself "an American" not "a Granite-stater."

And what is wrong with being both? Not everyone hates the country of their birth.

So you are a proponent of big, centralized government, Quantril. 

I don't think Quantril said that...

You ought to love the New World Order.  One hundred years from now, your great grandchildren will call themselves "citizens of the world," and people who think like you will be labelled "radical extremists".

I hope you're smoking some good weed because you are really not making sense now....

[joeyforpresident]

This wouldn't bother me if it were on Joe Smith's private ranch in California. To each his own on that regard, but because it is a government school, our public laws -- i.e., the ones regulating flags -- should apply to those public schools.

If the Frenchies from up north came and planted a Bloc Quebecois flag in a New Hampshire park that say, Kat Kanning was organizing a liberty-themed festival in, above the U.S. flag, then perhaps that might be an issue to her (I only mention her name since she was the only one to reply with "who cares") then.

Then again, maybe you'd rather just burn U.S. flags, which, to me, that is your right to do.



Still, let's get back on subject. Use the gang analogy.

What those Mexicans did was a brazen act of war. That's like rolling through a Blood neighborhood in South Central LA wearing a blue rag and then flashing "C" gang signs. It's of course designed to instigate and get publicity, but it's still an act of war.

Same reasoning goes behind flying a UN flag above the Keene City Hall. I bet Kat would care then if her town had agreed to erect a UN flag above its city hall.


Who cares? I care. And so do many who have put on our uniform to serve in unfortunate undeclared wars. I'm sure those vets look at photos like that with disgust, because our boys in Vietnam were spit on, kicked, hit, beat, thrown out of towns, bars, etc. because of a stupid policy of their government.

Same with the Mexicans. Stupid policies of our government are allowing those American taxpayer-funded Mexicans to put THEIR colors atop ours.

That's like being spit on, kicked, thrown out...and disrespected.

I don't apologize for "caring" about my country like that, or its flag.