conspiracy

[stitcherman]

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Quote from: stitcherman on Yesterday at 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on Yesterday at 11:38:57 AM
Once you get into conspiracy theories there is no end in sight. There are conspiracy theories about the conspiracy theory that the conspiracy theories were started by the organizations at the center of all the conspiracy theories.


amazing.............truly amazing.


check out this 8 minute video by patrick mooney..........quotes from people such as .henry kissenger, woodrow wilson,henry ford,franklin d. roosevelt.  the music is not half bad either.

open the page and click on conspiracy confessions in the video list.
http://www.unlearning.org/library.htm

enjoy

[Lex]

I have seen those quotes dozens of times. Much of what is happening today is not conspiracy theories, it's easy to open up a news paper and read about it for yourself in the general media.

When I'm talking about conspiracy theories, I'm talking about the Illuminati, Skull & Bones, etc. None of the folks quoted in the video named those organizations. They just talk about one world government and "groups of men" which to me could mean just about anything, including the "group of men" that work in the white house and write the presidents speeches and strategies. It is not a conspiracy theory that Bush doesn't really make all the decisions, it's a publicly known fact, he has commities and writers and advisors make decisions for him. Are most of the folks in government idialistic control freaks? You becha, that's why they applied for the job! For someone who thinks strategically,  One World government is OBVIOUS. For any socialist or government bureaucrat the idea of having everyone follow the same rules and laws all over the world is a GoodIdea(TM), they see it as simplifying their jobs and opening more possibilities for them. When you are already the most powerful nation in the world there isn't much else you can do but to excercise this power and start a conquest. The Mongols, Romans, Brits, French, Russians, Germans, etc all went through a similar phase of attempting world domination. It just so happens they were not as clever about it as our bureaucrats. All though our military has been getting pretty gunho (Afghanistan, Iraq) so I dono how long we can continue the propoganda approach before the military messes everything up.

In any case, my point is that there is no conspiracy theory here. This is all purely human nature. We like to organize things and control things, One World government is like the modern day version of the Egyption quest to build the Pyramids. It's a seemingly impossible goal. But with a brutal enough government (police state) and enough slave labor (sheeple) the bureaucrats will probably accomplish it.

[stitcherman]

I have seen those quotes dozens of times. Much of what is happening today is not conspiracy theories, it's easy to open up a news paper and read about it for yourself in the general media.

When I'm talking about conspiracy theories, I'm talking about the Illuminati, Skull & Bones, etc. None of the folks quoted in the video named those organizations. They just talk about one world government and "groups of men" which to me could mean just about anything, including the "group of men" that work in the white house and write the presidents speeches and strategies. It is not a conspiracy theory that Bush doesn't really make all the decisions, it's a publicly known fact, he has commities and writers and advisors make decisions for him. Are most of the folks in government idialistic control freaks? You becha, that's why they applied for the job! For someone who thinks strategically,  One World government is OBVIOUS. For any socialist or government bureaucrat the idea of having everyone follow the same rules and laws all over the world is a GoodIdea(TM), they see it as simplifying their jobs and opening more possibilities for them. When you are already the most powerful nation in the world there isn't much else you can do but to excercise this power and start a conquest. The Mongols, Romans, Brits, French, Russians, Germans, etc all went through a similar phase of attempting world domination. It just so happens they were not as clever about it as our bureaucrats. All though our military has been getting pretty gunho (Afghanistan, Iraq) so I dono how long we can continue the propoganda approach before the military messes everything up.

In any case, my point is that there is no conspiracy theory here. This is all purely human nature. We like to organize things and control things, One World government is like the modern day version of the Egyption quest to build the Pyramids. It's a seemingly impossible goal. But with a brutal enough government (police state) and enough slave labor (sheeple) the bureaucrats will probably accomplish it.

VERY WELL PUT.

THE WORD CONSIRACY THEORY WOULD WORK FOR LIKE 'THE TV WATCHER 'WHO IS TRAINED TO THINK AND PARROT THE CORPORATE AND GOV. LINE.
IN THERE MINDSET IT WOULD BE A CONSPIRACY IF THEY WERE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR ABOVE STATMENT, BECAUSE OF THERE MINDSET.

the word conspiracy has different meaning; depending how deep a persons thought process is inside the matrix or out of it ?

COMPUTER MAKERS GET TOGETHER FOR A RESULT . SO DO TYRANTS. THERE QUEST FOR POWER IS NOT DONE ALONE. agree ?

[Lex]

I think there ARE lots of people who see/agree with what I have described above. But many of those people believe the solution to the problem is to wait it out, ignore it or find work arounds. All empires eventually fall, this is a historic fact. America is accelerating into self-destruction. I have had a few friends who voted for Bush the second time around by stating, "It'll bring the end closer." While it may appear that most people just don't care, I think that they do, they just don't see a solution in which they can play a part. Almost every solution requires a lot of faith, time and personal risk which not many people are willing to donate.

I have slowly come to the realization that everyone is right in their own way. The Bush supporters are right because they will bring about the end sooner (even though they don't see it that way). The anti-Bush folks are right to try and stop a crazy guy destroying their country. The non-violent folks are right because they are setting a good example for the rest of us and giving us hope. The moral of all this is that anything you do that you believe is right will eventually lead us to freedom so it's best to just live as freely as you can, spread the ideas of liberty and make the best of what you have. Live today because you don't know what tomorrow will bring.

We can talk all day long about the virtues of a free society but the problem is that there will always be bad people in every society and it's a matter of figuring out in which system they will be the least invasive. If you get rid of government you will have millions of former bureaucrats who never did anything productive in their lives on the streets looking for ways to feed their children. Many of them will obviously turn to crime and continue to be bureaucrats on a smaller scale of gang groups and crime rings. On the one hand it will be easier to deal with criminals that don't hide behind a veil of ligitimacy but on the other hand these crooks no longer have to pretend to be legitimate thus a whole new chest of avenues is open to them. Maybe we will crush all of them and truely have a relatively peaceful society but maybe on the flip side we will be in constant battles fighting off these gangs and thugs. There is no way to know and that is why my suggestion is not to worry too much about anything political. Just live your life as freely as you can and help your friends and neighbors do the same. If we do win our freedoms one day the only thing that will ensure that we keep this freedom is being able to sustain ourselves and there is no better time to start this than this very moment.

In summary, put down the conspiracy book and pick up a book on science, farming, philosophy, art and any other subject which has a productive outcome. Politics and conspiracy theories are not productive.

[stitcherman]

but; exposing conspiracy theorys to the mass sleeping is productive.

[Lex]

but; exposing conspiracy theorys to the mass sleeping is prductive.

I have yet to see anything productive come out of exposing conspiracy theories to the masses. Can you show me something productive that has come of it?

[stitcherman]

  you must consider yourself fortunate that you are aware.
   i feel fortunate myself. it changes perception of the world and reality.

if you expose the tyrants they lose their power.

humanity is being duped
   

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[Lex]

if you expose the tyrants they lose their power.

You mean like telling the average American that Bush is their president and he can sign bills into law?

I think most people already know that and for some reason he hasn't lost power... 

humanity is being duped

That is such a broad statement you will have to elaborate with specific examples.

[stitcherman]

humanity is being duped

That is such a broad statement you will have to elaborate with specific examples.
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i think you know what i mean

[Lex]

i think you know what i mean

I know what you mean and I disagree with the generalization. I think you are just parroting what you hear from the likes of Alex Jones without really thinking about it.

Btw, I guess Alex Jones would be an example of productive use of conspiracy theories in that he can feed himself by talking about them. On the other hand the same can be said about cigarettes and government. The folks who are invovled in those benefit but the recipients of the conspiracy theories, smoking and government usually lose more than they get out of it. If you need to pay someone to tell you that the world is fucked up then there is probably no point in you even knowing that it is.

[stitcherman]

i think you know what i mean

I know what you mean and I disagree with the generalization. I think you are just parroting what you hear from the likes of Alex Jones without really thinking about it.

Btw, I guess Alex Jones would be an example of productive use of conspiracy theories in that he can feed himself by talking about them. On the other hand the same can be said about cigarettes and government. The folks who are invovled in those benefit but the recipients of the conspiracy theories, smoking and government usually lose more than they get out of it. If you need to pay someone to tell you that the world is fucked up then there is probably no point in you even knowing that it is.

i consider the works of alex lones.
next time you buy a meal say to yourself "they are making this meal for money, it must not be what it appears!"

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[Lex]

i consider the works of alex lones.
next time you buy a meal say to yourself "they are making this meal for money, it must not be what it appears!"

???

[stitcherman]

if you expose the tyrants they lose their power.

You mean like telling the average American that Bush is their president and he can sign bills into law?

I think most people already know that and for some reason he hasn't lost power... 

oh ! but he has lost some power, he has lost his mind control or support from many thousands with this .

his support is probably realisticly 30% or less. after sept 11 is was at 90 somethin'

[Lex]

oh ! but he has lost power he has lost his mind control or support from many thousands with this . his support is probably realisticly 30% or less.

And you think it's because more people learned about the Illuminati? Or because Bush has done lots of stupid stuff in plain daylight which was reported on in our mainstream media?

[stitcherman]

oh ! but he has lost power he has lost his mind control or support from many thousands with this . his support is probably realisticly 30% or less.

And you think it's because more people learned about the Illuminati? Or because Bush has done lots of stupid stuff in plain daylight which was reported on in our mainstream media?

i am sure that that is true for an american or two about the illuminati.

the stupid stuff is filtered and by design.