FSP Prez project

[Dreepa]

Ok there are at least 10 Dems running.
3 LPers running
and about 7 GOPers running for Prez.

Do you think we can somehow get them all to answer this question:

"Senator Clinton, what do you think of the Free State Project?"

So we need people inside with a video camera and someone to ask the question.

This should be doable within the next 11 months.... We may have to get the easier ones first... before they drop out.

I will try to post schedules of the wannabes when they come to NH.

I wonder if there are any active FSPers in Iowa?

[error]

I wonder if there are any active FSPers in Iowa?

There's at least one, I think, who listens to FTL. Maybe try the other forums as well?

[CNHT]

What is the point? You know that most of them believe in bigger government and higher taxes...

If they don't know what the FSP is, they won't know that we are for smaller gov't and lower taxes, or no taxes at all, because we are for true liberty.
They don't know what true liberty is...they will just see the FSP as something radical that stands in the way of their agenda of pleasing the masses.

You heard Kat say that at the Hillary thing, they all WANT socialized medicine? People are wimps and want everyone else to do things for them....there are enough of those to keep the gov't fully funded and happy, unfortunately.

For most politicians it's about making promises to people using other people's money...do you really need or care about their opinion of the FSP to do your 'work'? I could give a sh** what Hillary thinks. Everything she thinks is wrong anyway.

[JonM]

Why?  First, to get the name out there.  Second, how awesome would it be to have Hillary denounce the FSP?  Of course, any politician who isn't a complete idiot wouldn't do something that stupid.

[CNHT]

Why?  First, to get the name out there.  Second, how awesome would it be to have Hillary denounce the FSP?  Of course, any politician who isn't a complete idiot wouldn't do something that stupid.

I guess I have just been doing what the FSP advocates for so many years without a 'group' to advertise that I don't see it as important to put a tag on it.
When you can't even get people to turn out for one day when they CAN turn back most taxes, it's in their power, and they don't do it, you only have the people to blame not the politicians. Sometimes we put too much emphasis on the politicians. Hillary is not that important, so why make her seem important?

[JonM]

He wants every candidate to answer the question.  If the FSP becomes more prominent in the main stream media, more eyes see it, more ears hear it, and hopefully more people sign up for it and move to NH, leading to more people who will show up to vote against town budgets.

[money dollars]

All they will say is "never heard of it", and that will not make the news.

[d_goddard]

to get the name out there

+1 JohnM!

One of the key enablers to making the FSP more successful, is just letting other liberty-lovers know that it exists!
So what if nobody knows what we're talking about the first time.
By the 2nd or 3rd time some politician gets asked about it, the reporters will be all over it... "what is this Free State thing?"

And the fact is, the news organizations in NH have heard of the FSP... when they report on it, it'll more than likely get picked up by the AP wire.

This could be the easiest, fastest, and cheapest way to get national attention so far!

[jaqeboy]

New Hampshire Peace Action does this already with their questions. They call it "bird-dogging". They give workshops on how to do it - you can read about it at this page:
http://nhpeaceaction.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=87&Itemid=52

Where can I find the candidates? NH Peace Action points you to Priorities NH and their Candidate Calendar:
http://www.prioritiesnh.org/birddog_calendar.php

They also point to to New Hampshire Presidential Watch:
http://nh2008.blogspot.com/index.html

You may not have to re-invent the wheel here, plus, I think there's a place to report in to their list if you know of an appearance that they haven't posted to their calendar.

The 9-11 Truth movement calls it "Truth Squads", not sure if they have a site for that yet.

[CNHT]

The trouble is, I am not about to be tricked into voting for a socialist or communist just because they are against the war, as what just happened here in NH with Hodes and Porter...and locally with throwing out our A's and B's...

Look what trouble it has caused!

The chances are that these groups want gov't control over everything else is just not a good trade-off for me..

But then you can have a candidate come along like Ron Paul who seems different. He can oppose the war with 'class' and the proper conservatism on all the other issues.

[jaqeboy]

I guess the 9-11 Truth Squad is Web Tarpley's idea - mentioned at the bottom of this article:
http://www.total911.info/2007/01/tarpley-peaceniks-must-accept-911-truth.html

Whether you call it "bird-dogging", Truth Squads or FSP squads, whatever, it looks like a cool technique because any question you ask a presidential candidate will be shot on video by the media. Others, knowing that the media won't post it all, just shoot their own video and post it to YouTube or Google Video.

Here's an example of Dave Tiffany's (NashuaPeace.org) action over the weekend questioning Hillary Clinton - I'll just paste in his whole email report (sorry for the long post, but I think it's worth it); the basic result is: 1 man, 1 event, ~10-12 media reports!:

-------email report from Dave Tiffany---------
Hi all,

As many of you know, seven of us from NashuaPeace.org attended Hillary Clinton's event in Concord, NH yesterday.  This is the kickoff of her New Hampshire presidential primary campaign and her first visit to the state in 10 years, and we expected to see a large media presence.

For those of you watching, her position on ending the war is not very good.  NashuaPeace has committed to bird-dogging the candidates, trying to get them on record before the media, and if possible, make them aware when their message is not to our liking in order to create pressure to move in a direction we favor.

This is a period when the candidates are finding out how their positions will be received by the voters, and they are shaping their strategies for the campaign to come, and are especially vulnerable to pressure at this point in the election cycle.  We went with the intent of questioning her on her position on troop withdrawals, passing out flyers outside the event, and possibly bringing our signs inside to display when an audience member would put her on the spot and make her defend her position on Iraq.

As often happens, things went a little differently than expected.

We brought our signs inside without any problem, and once past the last remaining barrier I held my "Quit Stalling / Bring the Troops Home" sign above my head and showed it in all directions (to the 1000 or so people present) and received unbelievable applause and cheers.  But before I got to my seat, a campaign worker insisted on taking my sign.  He offered to make me one of the first questioners so I agreed.  Once the questioning got underway, it became clear that promise would not be honored.  When Sylvia Larson, the NH State Senate President stepped up on the stage with Hillary to end the program, Peter and Chris and I began yelling from the high bleachers and disrupted the program by demanding she honor the pledge made to me by her campaign staff.

To her credit, Hillary agreed to take my question, part of which was received with boos from the audience.  When they confiscated my sign, several reporters interviewed me, but after our unscheduled demonstration I was mobbed by them, and gave 4 or 5 on-camera interviews and was interviewed by at least six newspapers, including the New York Sun.  We didn't make the network news, but one audience member with a similar question was on NBC nightly news.  As usual, only a fraction of the material made it onto TV and into the print articles, but I was shown on channels 7, 9, and 25.  The stories on 9 and 25 only showed me in the bleachers speaking one line, but the channel seven interview was shown, with a separate shot of us leaving after having recovered our signs.

Before we were even home the AP news story was on the radio, where I was described as one man who asked her whether she was "trying to have it both ways".  That story made it into the Washington Post and The International Herald Tribune, along with many other news outlets.  There was a small mention of me by name in the Nashua Telegraph, and a rather extensive story with many quotes in the Manchester Union Leader (of course, since they hate Hillary!).  Also, a friend told me I was "heard" in New York.

Hillary claims that when she voted to give Bush the authority to go to war, it was a vote to continue the U.N. weapons inspections, that no one knew that he would so misuse the authority.  No one is buying that lame excuse, and she shouldn't be selling it.  Wherever she goes in the state, everyone asks her why she won't come clean and admit her mistake.  We need to make it clear to her that the voters don't want to elect another president who can't admit error, and that the longer she sticks with this story the less voters will trust her.  I believe the issue of trust will be one of the largest factors determining the winner in 2008.

I don't know how long the videos will be up, but here are the links (it should be easy to find it among the available videos):

www.whdh.com for the longer channel 7 video
www.wmur.com and www.wfxt.com for the videos which only show me speaking for a few seconds.

The longest newspaper article is at:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=People+had+points+to+make+to+Hillary&articleId=e44289d4-efea-4c2f-bf74-debf62125275

A second Union Leader Article:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Hillary%27s+here%3a+grilled+on+Iraq+stance&articleId=455b3d69-fed9-4a3c-8380-00416129f4e3

The Nashua Telegraph article:

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070211/NEWS02/70211003

Here'e the AP article from the Washington Post which doesn't mention me by name:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/10/AR2007021000696.html

Here is a description of Hillary's visit to a Nashua houseparty with a quote from our friend and Hollis Democratic party chair, Claire Helfman:

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO42800/

Here is the New York Sun article with good quotes from me:

http://www.nysun.com/article/48400

Thanks to Peter, Chris, and the Carlsons for their part in producing this result, and to Dan and Jeff who unfortunately left just before the fireworks!

Dave

[CNHT]

I guess what I am saying is I would not waste my time on Hillary because while you may succeed in disabusing her of any notions about going to war, you will NEVER disabuse her of her ideas that government should be all encompassing and provide for you and knows what is best for you in the style of Gramsci. Hillary was a student of Gramsci.

The Gramscian commie in the White House
September 19, 2000

Back in 1993, I received a 49-page report entitled "Secret: FBI Documents Link Bill & Hillary Clinton to Marxist-Terrorist Network," published by the Sunset Research Group of Wichita, Kan. It was a meticulously documented report showing the connections of the Clintons to the Institute for Policy Studies, a Marxist think tank in Washington. Clinton's top economic advisor was Derek Shearer, an IPS operative and advocate of Marxist socialism. Shearer's sister Brooke was also Hillary's traveling companion. The report states:

In a 1980 book he authored, Shearer confided that he and others were planning to so influence the Democratic Party that a President sharing their Marxist-socialist views could soon be elected.

Shearer and so many other Marxists realized that the only way to impose Marxist socialism on America was by way of the strategy outlined by Antonio Gramsci (pronounced "gram-shee"), the Italian communist, who had much time to think about such things while imprisoned for many years in Italy. His "Prison Notebooks" were widely read and studied by communists in the West. Gramsci analyzed Western culture and concluded that the only way that communists could finally impose their totalitarian will over the West was by first taking over its educational, cultural and religious institutions. This would require years of stealthful infiltration. The report quotes a passage from a book about Gramsci:

Antonio Gramsci ... argued that power is best attained in developed, industrialized countries through a gradual process of radicalization of the cultural institutions (the "superstructure") of bourgeois society, a process that would in turn transform the values and morals of the society. Gramsci believed that as society's morals were softened, so its political and economic foundation would be more easily smashed and reconstructed.

In light of the above quote, it is quite obvious that Bill Clinton has been the perfect Gramscian president. In addition to everything else he has done to expand government, his affair with Monica Lewinsky has certainly contributed to a softening of society's morals in that his lewd behavior has become the subject of casual conversation among students in our schools and contributed to their own descent into perversion. Comedians can now tell jokes about Clinton's behavior that would have been unthinkable only a few years ago. The Gramscian strategy also explains why Clinton could not be shamed into resigning. Degrading the presidency could only help the leftist cause.

Also, the current attack on the Boy Scouts because of their refusal to admit open homosexuals indicates to what extent decency is now on the defensive in America. When some large corporations start ending their support of a highly moral institution because it insists on maintaining high moral standards of decency, that's a sign that the Gramsci strategy is working.

What would the perfect Gramscian president do? He would do everything in his power to expand the scope of government, and everything in his power to oppose the diminution of government power. And if he has to deal with a Republican Congress, he prefers gridlock to letting the right gain anything while he is president. Thus he vetoes tax relief for married couples, he vetoes a repeal of the death tax, and he opposes any vouchers for the poor children of Washington, D.C.

And to expand government, he uses the Antiquities Act of 1906 to justify his monument proclamations. Clinton has nationalized 4 million Western acres to create his environmental legacy. He is now planning to create the Siskiyou Wild Rivers National Monument in southwest Oregon, which would federalize 1 million acres. The monument will severely restrict mining, logging, development, grazing, farming and recreation in the area. Creating such a monument with no roads or logging will make it vulnerable to the kind of fires that have devastated Montana.

To strike a blow against free enterprise, Clinton launched an antitrust suit against Microsoft, one of the great enterprises of the new technology.

He has facilitated the transfer of our most advanced military technology to the communist government of China. He has let the Chinese take over the Panama Canal without so much as a peep. He helped impose a socialist government in Haiti. He heaped venomous hatred on the Branch Davidians who were burned to death by American military forces, calling them suicidal fanatics. He ordered the kidnapping of Elian Gonzalez so that the boy could be returned to Castro's Cuban hell. He released the Puerto Rican terrorists from prison.

He ordered the bombing of Belgrade, the first European capital to be bombed since the end of World War II. And he has approved the transformation of NATO from a defensive organization to an offensive one that could very well trigger World War III.

According to the Coalition of Politically Active Christians, Clinton has used 323 executive orders and 82 presidential decision directives to further his agenda. EO 13061 has put all of America's major rivers and tributaries under federal control. PDD 25 has placed American troops under United Nations' command. Only a newly elected constitutional president could reverse those decisions and orders.

But you can be sure that the Gramsci communist in the White House will use every bit of power he has left to promote the Marxist cause right down to the last minute before leaving the presidency. What is so indicative of Clinton's Gramscian strategy is the fact that he was able to rise to power projecting a moderate Bubba image while secretly adhering to a left-wing radical political philosophy. The fact that he was so clever in hiding his true beliefs is one of the reasons why he has been so successful.

Take for example, his stand on the anti-missile missile. He first said that he favored such a defensive weapon, but when the initial trials indicated that a lot more work was needed, he decided not to go ahead with the program. He sounded reasonable, but he also made known his opinion that "it will never work."

Nor has Clinton ever characterized his program of universal health care as socialized medicine. Derek Shearer explains why:

Socialism has a bad name in America, and no amount of wishful thinking on the part of the left is going to change that. ... [T]he words Economic Democracy are an adequate and effective replacement.

And apparently the IPS has taken Shearer's advice. You will not find the word socialism anywhere on its website. In its mission statement it talks about global economic justice (meaning world socialist system), sustainable communities (state-regulated economy), economic and social rights (cradle-to-grave control of the individual), real security (disarmament and gun control).

When Clinton was elected in November 1992, the Communist Party USA saw it as a great victory for the cause of the left. The People's Weekly World was jubilant. They knew something we didn't know:

"It's a big chance to reverse 12 years of right-wing rule from the White House," said Jarvis Tyner, CPUSA Political Action Director in his opening report to the three day meeting of the Party's National Board. "The election of Clinton-Gore has created a new battleground on which to struggle."
The Board adopted a Plan of Work focusing on a number of campaigns to demand that the administration in Congress enact legislation to create a public work jobs program and national health care.

And what did radical Hillary Clinton do as soon as she and her husband were in the White House? Organize a conference to draw up a plan for universal health care, also known as socialized medicine. It should be noted that Hillary first had contact with the IPS at Yale. As director and chair of the New World Foundation in 1978, Hillary gave monetary contributions to far left groups including IPS. She gave $15,000 to the National Lawyers Guild, the legal arm of the Communist Party USA.
Shortly after Clinton took office, Derek Shearer was appointed deputy undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs in February 1993. In February 1994 Clinton named him ambassador to Finland, a job Shearer held until October 1997.

It should surprise no one by now that at the U.N. Millennium Summit, our Commie President and Fidel Castro were able to meet unofficially, as if by accident. The London Times reported that Clinton and Castro made contact in a crowd leaving a luncheon given by Kofi Annan. Clinton and Castro were watching each other through the sides of their eyes, and Castro started to move toward Clinton but was almost tripped up by President Chavez of Venezuela who also wanted a word with Clinton. But apparently Chavez realized what was happening and let Castro get to Clinton. The two shook hands and exchanged a few words. You can be sure that Clinton didn't ask the Cuban dictator how Elian was doing.

Is the damage done by our Gramscian president reversible? Not if Gore is elected.

Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld is the author of eight books on education, including: "Is Public Education Necessary?" "NEA: Trojan Horse in American Education," "The Whole Language/OBE Fraud" and "Homeschooling: A Parents Guide to Teaching Children." His books are available on Amazon.com. Back issues of his incisive newsletter, The Blumenfeld Education Letter, are available online.

[jaqeboy]

btw, Jane - the post wasn't about Hillary, it was about media access using innovative guerilla techniques 

[cathleeninnh]

The technique is what is being proposed here and it appears to have some effectiveness. An awful lot of eyes are on NH now and they have column inches to fill. We can be the story rather than sit back and get the prepackaged ones.

Cathleen

[CNHT]

btw, Jane - the post wasn't about Hillary, it was about media access using innovative guerilla techniques 

Yah I know but Hillary is hopeless...with regard to bird-dogging. IMHO...you need someone with an actual conscience? LOL
Otherwise she isn't going to let that bother her and her $100M in contributions to get her elected.