How's the chem

[Insurgent]

I guess it is possible the government could be spraying something .... and people could disagree about what it is.

I think that's the most sober view of the situation and also diffuses all the arguments. The government, or corporations working with elements of the government, are certainly capable of doing this without our consent.

[SAK]

That third picture looks like it's showing spread-out chem near the sun there.  That is, unless that's a smudge on your lens (doesn't appear to be).  Also, notice the color it makes.  Natural clouds don't make nifty rainbow chem colors with direct sunlight.  Chem clouds with petroleum substances do though.

Spraying is done not only with special spraying nozzles, but also by fuel additives.  I'll see if I can dig up an article about it for ya.  You can add a whole lot of different things to jet fuel without it affecting the operation of the engines too much.

The easiest way to tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail: chemtrails persist whereas contrails do not.  If you get a trail that sticks around all day, spreads out, and turns into a nasty haze (like what's in your #3 picture), that's chem.  Some people prefer not to call them "chemtrails," as that isn't accurate.  It's really aerosol.  But the term chemtrail is the standard.

I didn't believe it for the longest time as well.  It took a lot of convincing by a relentless family member.  I have no doubt about it right now.  I would bet the two boys on it.  It's no different than the truth about the 9/11 attacks and countless other government-sponsored terrorist attacks and secret operations.  You don't want to believe it at first, so you deny it.  The evidence stays with you though.  Only if you want to know the truth will you come to it.  You have to keep an open and objective mind as well.  Only you can convince yourself with your own research.  I can't do it for you.  If you'd rather stay in lala land, that's your prerogative.

[MaineShark]

Spraying is done not only with special spraying nozzles, but also by fuel additives.  I'll see if I can dig up an article about it for ya.  You can add a whole lot of different things to jet fuel without it affecting the operation of the engines too much.

Really?  And just how much do you know about jet engines?

I have no doubt about it right now.
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You have to keep an open and objective mind as well.  Only you can convince yourself with your own research.  I can't do it for you.  If you'd rather stay in lala land, that's your prerogative.

No one with an "open and objective mind" has "no doubt" about anything.  An open mind always retains some level of doubt.

Joe

[mvpel]

That third picture looks like it's showing spread-out chem near the sun there.  That is, unless that's a smudge on your lens (doesn't appear to be).  Also, notice the color it makes.  Natural clouds don't make nifty rainbow chem colors with direct sunlight.  Chem clouds with petroleum substances do though.

How about diffraction through camera lenses?  Back when I wore -10 diopter glasses, I could make the a red light at night hover in mid-air next to the traffic signal by turning my head to one side.  That doesn't mean it was actually hovering in mid-air.

And since jet fuel is a petroleum substance, it stands to reason that there would be petroleum substances in jet exhaust.

The easiest way to tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail: chemtrails persist whereas contrails do not.  If you get a trail that sticks around all day, spreads out, and turns into a nasty haze (like what's in your #3 picture), that's chem.  Some people prefer not to call them "chemtrails," as that isn't accurate.  It's really aerosol.  But the term chemtrail is the standard.

How much time has elapsed in the third picture?

I would bet the two boys on it.

That might be cheaper for me than doing another adoption from Russia, but then there's that pesky problem of proving a negative.

It's no different than the truth about the 9/11 attacks and countless other government-sponsored terrorist attacks and secret operations.  You don't want to believe it at first, so you deny it.  The evidence stays with you though.  Only if you want to know the truth will you come to it.  You have to keep an open and objective mind as well.  Only you can convince yourself with your own research.  I can't do it for you.  If you'd rather stay in lala land, that's your prerogative.

You're right, it's no different than the truth about the 9/11 attacks, and crop circles, and Roswell - a few people seize upon grainy photos and natural phenomena or the hooks, lines, and sinkers laid out for them, to spin grandiose theories and construct a self-referential mythology about a competent and capable government that does not exist and has never existed anywhere in the world.

And the people who do accept the fact that the government is too inept to pull off anything like what they propose instead put forth theories of aliens or time travelers.


They could drop you
in the middle of the desert
and tell you the truth
is out there, and you'd ask
them for a shovel.

[SAK]

I don't think I can help you much if you still believe in the turban+box-cutter theory of 9/11.

[MaineShark]

I don't think I can help you much if you still believe in the turban+box-cutter theory of 9/11.

OK, I've got to ask. 

What, specifically, do you find unbelievable about the idea that a few commercial flights were taken over by some guys from Al-Qaida, who then drove those a/c into certain large buildings?

It's just too simple!

The government plants most conspiracy theories, anyway.  As long as people are obsessing over nonsense like "chemtrails," they aren't combatting the evils the governments are actually perpetrating on a day-to-day basis.  The temr for such is "His Majesty's Loyal Opposition."

Joe

[mvpel]

I don't think I can help you much if you still believe in the turban+box-cutter theory of 9/11.

You're right, I do need help.

I need help fighting gun control and gun bans.  I need help fighting RealID.  I need help fighting seatbelt laws, helmet laws, smoking bans, and all sorts of other nanny-state measures.  I need help separating school and state.  I need help preventing a sales and income tax in New Hampshire.

And every hour you spend wrapped around the axle of 9/11 and "chemtrails" conspiracy theories is an hour you're not helping.

[MaineShark]

I don't think I can help you much if you still believe in the turban+box-cutter theory of 9/11.

You're right, I do need help.

I need help fighting gun control and gun bans.  I need help fighting RealID.  I need help fighting seatbelt laws, helmet laws, smoking bans, and all sorts of other nanny-state measures.  I need help separating school and state.  I need help preventing a sales and income tax in New Hampshire.

And every hour you spend wrapped around the axle of 9/11 and "chemtrails" conspiracy theories is an hour you're not helping.

Kudos.

All the conspiracy theories do is waste the time and efforts of people who would otherwise be fighting the government in meaningful ways, and alienate others who don't want to be associated with "conspiracy nuts."

Most of these theories are originated by the government for that very purpose.

Joe

[YixilTesiphon]

I don't think I can help you much if you still believe in the turban+box-cutter theory of 9/11.

You're right, I do need help.

I need help fighting gun control and gun bans.  I need help fighting RealID.  I need help fighting seatbelt laws, helmet laws, smoking bans, and all sorts of other nanny-state measures.  I need help separating school and state.  I need help preventing a sales and income tax in New Hampshire.

And every hour you spend wrapped around the axle of 9/11 and "chemtrails" conspiracy theories is an hour you're not helping.

Very well said. Really, there are enough evil things the government does overtly to worry about stuff they might or might not do covertly.