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Julia and I are being investigated by the NH attorney genital.

Started by FTL_Ian, March 23, 2007, 11:49 AM NHFT

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shyfrog


armlaw

Quote from: shyfrog on September 13, 2007, 11:58 AM NHFT
Nevermind, I'll just point them to this:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0133.html


The problem is, that the "new" form still says your are a "United States Citizen". It should state you are an "inhabitant of the New Hampshire Republic, pursuant to Part II, Article 30 New Hampshire constitution."
If you claim to be a United States citizen, then that is what you are and you are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". You have "contracted" away your "state citizenship" for the  perceived benefits of being a United States citzen.

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: armlaw on September 13, 2007, 05:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on September 13, 2007, 11:58 AM NHFT
Nevermind, I'll just point them to this:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0133.html


The problem is, that the "new" form still says your are a "United States Citizen". It should state you are an "inhabitant of the New Hampshire Republic, pursuant to Part II, Article 30 New Hampshire constitution."
If you claim to be a United States citizen, then that is what you are and you are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". You have "contracted" away your "state citizenship" for the  perceived benefits of being a United States citzen.

How about "Citizen of the State of New Hampshire"? That's an accurate statement under our current federal régime, and it says more-or-less what I think you're trying to accomplish.

armlaw

Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 13, 2007, 08:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: armlaw on September 13, 2007, 05:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on September 13, 2007, 11:58 AM NHFT
Nevermind, I'll just point them to this:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0133.html


The problem is, that the "new" form still says your are a "United States Citizen". It should state you are an "inhabitant of the New Hampshire Republic, pursuant to Part II, Article 30 New Hampshire constitution."
If you claim to be a United States citizen, then that is what you are and you are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". You have "contracted" away your "state citizenship" for the  perceived benefits of being a United States citzen.

How about "Citizen of the State of New Hampshire"? That's an accurate statement under our current federal régime, and it says more-or-less what I think you're trying to accomplish.

Please read New Hampshire Constitution, Part II Article 30 wherein this Article defines you as an INHABITANT if you want to participate in your government. The word "citizen" does not appear so why reinvent the wheel ?

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: armlaw on September 15, 2007, 08:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 13, 2007, 08:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: armlaw on September 13, 2007, 05:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on September 13, 2007, 11:58 AM NHFT
Nevermind, I'll just point them to this:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0133.html


The problem is, that the "new" form still says your are a "United States Citizen". It should state you are an "inhabitant of the New Hampshire Republic, pursuant to Part II, Article 30 New Hampshire constitution."
If you claim to be a United States citizen, then that is what you are and you are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". You have "contracted" away your "state citizenship" for the  perceived benefits of being a United States citzen.

How about "Citizen of the State of New Hampshire"? That's an accurate statement under our current federal régime, and it says more-or-less what I think you're trying to accomplish.

Please read New Hampshire Constitution, Part II Article 30 wherein this Article defines you as an INHABITANT if you want to participate in your government. The word "citizen" does not appear so why reinvent the wheel ?

Didn't know that. People have been called citizens of their states since the United States was founded, and until the fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution, is primarily what people were considered (as opposed to citizens of the United States).

Inhabitant is sort of an odd word to be used in political/civic contexts like this. Do you happen to know if that's always been in the state constitution, or was that something that was put there after the 1860s when state citizenship was downgraded in importance? (As a parellel, most states just refer to their citizens as residents now.)

armlaw

Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 15, 2007, 10:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: armlaw on September 15, 2007, 08:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on September 13, 2007, 08:10 PM NHFT
Quote from: armlaw on September 13, 2007, 05:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: shyfrog on September 13, 2007, 11:58 AM NHFT
Nevermind, I'll just point them to this:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2007/HB0133.html


The problem is, that the "new" form still says your are a "United States Citizen". It should state you are an "inhabitant of the New Hampshire Republic, pursuant to Part II, Article 30 New Hampshire constitution."
If you claim to be a United States citizen, then that is what you are and you are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". You have "contracted" away your "state citizenship" for the  perceived benefits of being a United States citzen.

How about "Citizen of the State of New Hampshire"? That's an accurate statement under our current federal régime, and it says more-or-less what I think you're trying to accomplish.

Please read New Hampshire Constitution, Part II Article 30 wherein this Article defines you as an INHABITANT if you want to participate in your government. The word "citizen" does not appear so why reinvent the wheel ?

Didn't know that. People have been called citizens of their states since the United States was founded, and until the fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution, is primarily what people were considered (as opposed to citizens of the United States).

Inhabitant is sort of an odd word to be used in political/civic contexts like this. Do you happen to know if that's always been in the state constitution, or was that something that was put there after the 1860s when state citizenship was downgraded in importance? (As a parellel, most states just refer to their citizens as residents now.)
First you must be chided for failing to do your homework. If you had, you would not have asked the question, which as a courtesy requires a reply. Hence, Article 30 Part II of the New Hampshire constitution was ratified by the people on June 2, 1784, some 5 years before the National constitution was thrashed out. Incidentally, New Hampshire has the celebrity for being the ninth state to ratify that instrument but was done so on condition that a Bill of Rights would be added! The ONLY amendments to the language of Article 30 Part II were in 1958 substituting the word "WARD" for "parish, and plantation" and in 1976 twice deleting references to electing and substituting " is domiciled" for "dwelleth and has his home"