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You can vote for me. I'll go down there and veto everything that doesn't repeal something. And I'll refuse the salary.

[Quantrill]

How would we be worse off? While any of those could conceivably conquer the U.S. military under the right circumstances, none could conquer a free people. They'd be insane to even try it.

How would we be worse off?  Does anyone really doubt the fact that there are countries who would invade us without a second thought?  Even if we pulled all of our troops out of every country and issued a formal apology, we've already pissed off  enough people that we'd be sitting ducks over here.   

I can't be the only person to see that.  I hope not...

[Russell Kanning]

well he should run for president then

Would he have your vote?

nah

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How would we be worse off? While any of those could conceivably conquer the U.S. military under the right circumstances, none could conquer a free people. They'd be insane to even try it.

How would we be worse off?  Does anyone really doubt the fact that there are countries who would invade us without a second thought?  Even if we pulled all of our troops out of every country and issued a formal apology, we've already pissed off  enough people that we'd be sitting ducks over here.   

I can't be the only person to see that.  I hope not...

You are making the classic American mistake of conflating the government with the people.

Billions of people are pissed off at the U.S. government and would like nothing more than to see it fall. Most of these people have the wrong reasons in mind, though, for instance increasing their own power.

You're also confusing the U.S. government run by a certain type of weak-willed person, with a free society run by no one. Lots of other places would attempt to invade the former. But no one would invade the latter; it would be suicide. Their troops wouldn't manage to establish a beachhead. The free PEOPLE would not permit it.

[Quantrill]

If you honestly think every other country would just leave us alone, then I sincerely hope you're right.  Unfortunately I'm too pessimistic to think that...

[Russell Kanning]

the same methods we use to reject this government .... can be used on the next one that tries to enslave us. It is really simple.

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If you honestly think every other country would just leave us alone, then I sincerely hope you're right.  Unfortunately I'm too pessimistic to think that...

Oh, I don't think ALL of them will. There's probably one stupid enough to try something. They just aren't likely to get across the Rio Grande alive if they're invading for the purpose of conquest. Too many people would just shoot them dead with whatever was at hand.

You can't fight a land war in America, either.

[powerchuter]

By voting you continue the myth that the "winning" voters have jurisdiction over the "losing" voters and all those who voluntarily and involuntarily do not vote...

By not voting, you turn the myth into reality.

Again: you don't have to vote for power, nor for politicians, nor taxes, nor to tell others how to run their lives. There are many things to vote against, and when you don't participate, you are left at the hands of those who do want to vote for power and politicians and taxes and telling others (you!) how to run their lives.

You believe in self-defense, so defend yourself by voting against spending initiatives, taxes, and bad laws.

Ridiculous!
Obviously you are not mature enough in your thinking to understand the concepts you are trying to discuss.

[cathleeninnh]

You're also confusing the U.S. government run by a certain type of weak-willed person, with a free society run by no one. Lots of other places would attempt to invade the former. But no one would invade the latter; it would be suicide. Their troops wouldn't manage to establish a beachhead. The free PEOPLE would not permit it.

We don't have a society of Free People. Some would stand and fight and go down in glory. Many would cower and submit thinking, "I will survive and maybe my children will have a chance to someday be free."

A quick abolition of government here would be disastrous. The People are not ready.

Cathleen

[d_goddard]

A quick abolition of government here would be disastrous. The People are not ready.

Yep.
We need at least a full generation of people who are taught in places other than government-run schools, by teachers who are not themselves government-educated.

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We don't have a society of Free People. Some would stand and fight and go down in glory. Many would cower and submit thinking, "I will survive and maybe my children will have a chance to someday be free."

A quick abolition of government here would be disastrous. The People are not ready.

Of course the people aren't ready. One of the things some of us have to do is to get them ready. Preferably before this government collapses and they replace it with another one.

[MaineShark]

During WWII, Japan considered invading the West Coast.  And promptly dropped the notion, on the grounds that American civilians would defeat their troops.

American civilians hold more small arms than all the armies of every country on the planet, combined.  If only a fraction chose to fight, any enemy force would be defeated.

Could China (for example) overwhelm us with numbers?  Theoretically, yes.  But how would they get here?  Any invasion requires moving troops.  That can only be done so quickly.  The carefully-planned landing on D-Day barely won out, and only did so because the German military commanders didn't send troops that were needed.  Imagine that, without the bureaucrats interfering.  Imagine a few thousand conscript troops trying to invade, against massive resistance from the populace...

They wouldn't have time to establish themselves and create a puppet government for people to bow down to.  Even if people were inclined to do so (and I agree that the majority are), they wouldn't have the opportunity.

Now, a quick replacement/removal of the current government would be messy, and I think a slower transition is more likely to work well, but the slow transition is not necessary.  Of course, it's immaterial, since the Feds aren't going to wander off during the night tonight and forget the way back.  Aside from the possibility of bloody revolution, a slow transition is what we'll get.

Joe

[cathleeninnh]

A calamity is faster and entirely possible. Natural or economic.

I'm with Denis. We have to save the children. I would like to think we are making progress there. Otherwise, the future looks dim.

Cathleen

[Dreepa]

A calamity is faster and entirely possible. Natural or economic.

I'm with Denis. We have to save the children. I would like to think we are making progress there. Otherwise, the future looks dim.

There were a lot of them at the MVP meeting.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Yup!   we'll need a daycare at the meetings before long