Bar Shooting in Manchester

[Insurgent]

Wow.  While it's bad that this happened, I think it's great that there was a "good guy" carrying concealed.  Things could've been a lot worse otherwise.  I hope the guy gets a key to the city or whatever instead of spending time in jail...

Yes--it will be very interesting to see what happens to this guy...if the antis make an example out of him or if he becomes a hero.

Maybe we should create a Hero of the People medal and award it to him in a big ceremony - Offer him our thanks for saving a life, congratulations for exercizing his good judgement under pressure, support, if needed, in any legal challenges he may encounter, and a bear hug of love for being a good guy and hero of our community. Let's carry him aloft down the middle of Elm Street with banners and a marching band.

Then let the police take a stand against the people's support of the guy, if they will.

That's an interesting idea. The people's support vs the police dept's response. I like the idea of Manchester residents getting behind this cause; awarding the guy a medal at a public event, maybe even a parade. If the police dept refuses the permit to march down Elm St, that could be used as more proof that that they don't support ordinary citizens fighting back against crime.

[Insurgent]

I'm thinking the thing to do would be to patronize the bar, and let the bar's owner know that we support the right of the people to defend him, his customers and his doorman from harm.

Good idea. Anyone familiar with this bar? Is it a dive?

[burnthebeautiful]

When did Omega go? On what grounds did they shut it down?

When I visited Manchester in July 06, there were articles in the paper about how they wanted to shut it down. Something about how there had been some fist fights or something, it didn't seem like a big deal to me. I remember walking past it and thinking "New Hampshire has strip joints, cool!"

[Rosie the Riveter]

Make it a "neighborhood watch" citizens hero award party --- give awards to citizens that have fought back like the store owners with baseball bats, this lady in the article and the hero from Uptown....How'bout at Murphy's tap room?


Manchester watch groups on the rise

By SCOTT BROOKS
New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Manchester+watch+groups+on+the+rise&articleId=ee5e94f6-5373-425c-b5e1-76d5ad12a292

[Insurgent]

Make it a "neighborhood watch" citizens hero award party --- give awards to citizens that have fought back like the store owners with baseball bats, this lady in the article and the hero from Uptown....How'bout at Murphy's tap room?


Manchester watch groups on the rise

By SCOTT BROOKS
New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Manchester+watch+groups+on+the+rise&articleId=ee5e94f6-5373-425c-b5e1-76d5ad12a292

Great idea, Kate although I'm wary of joining forces with the official neighborhood watch groups as they are more or less the tendrils of the Manchester PD. We need new neighborhood watch groups that aren't affiliated with the MPD and don't answer to them.

I've seen the fruitlessness of this entanglement on the mean streets of North Minneapolis, where I used to live. The quote on quote citizen patrols and neighborhood watches were largely ineffectual. Then again, we didn't have instances of where "The wounded suspect...ran from the parking lot up Myrtle Street with an angry group of club patrons in pursuit." 

[Wolfwood]

Wait...The Brady Bunch told me that any civilian, armed and faced with a situation like this, would start firing wildly and put everyone else's life in danger. Seems to me like the unnamed hero handled this quite well. Kudos as well to the crowd for not killing the perp.

  Glad to live in New Hampshire!

[Quantrill]

  Glad to live in New Hampshire!

Welcome to the boards!
+1

[Insurgent]

When did Omega go? On what grounds did they shut it down?

When I visited Manchester in July 06, there were articles in the paper about how they wanted to shut it down. Something about how there had been some fist fights or something, it didn't seem like a big deal to me. I remember walking past it and thinking "New Hampshire has strip joints, cool!"

Omega was never a strip joint.  It was a bar with a clientele that can best be described as unsavory.  The club owners seemed determined to bring gangsta culture to NH, and so advertised heavily in Lawrence, Lowell, etc., and on-line among Rap and Hip-Hop events sites.  Some nights, it looked like there must have been a sale on blacked-out Escalades and BMWs with Massachusetts tags.  They kept increasing security, eventually adding armed bouncers along with police on detail, but the violence kept growing.

They lost their liquor license after it was determined that fully half of all bar-related police calls in Manchester were to Omega.  After the bar was shut down, the owners proclaimed their intention to open a BYOB strip club.  As they had stopped making rent payments on the place, the landlord evicted them before the new venture could open.   I think Murphy's will be a better fit for that location.

Good inside info 

[penguins4me]

Witnesses said they saw a .45 caliber handgun lying on the street about 20 feet from the club's rear door. Police said they recovered the .45 caliber handgun allegedly used by Encarnacion along with the patron's handgun.

I hope this guy gets his handgun back soon.  I can't really see much of a reason to disarm a guy who just saved someone's life.

Agreed, and also one more very good reason to own at least TWO portable weapons suitable for self-defense. >.<

[lildog]

Possession of a pistol with serial# filed off is an automatic felony, though from I have heard.

Was it reported that the gun the disgruntled gunman had have filed off numbers?

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Possession of a pistol with serial# filed off is an automatic felony, though from I have heard.

Was it reported that the gun the disgruntled gunman had have filed off numbers?

No.

It was reported that he was "charged with possessing a firearm without a serial number."

[grasshopper]

Awww, my ignorant post was deleted, I was just kidding about the poor victums of our molestation laws.  I was kidding.
\   I am glad this didn't turn out worse than it did.  That bouncer is a hero.

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Eh? The bouncer just sat there and got shot at.

The guy who returned fire, and DIDN'T miss, was another customer.

[lildog]

And in news today we see what happens when a gunman enters an area where all adults have been stripped of gun ownership...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070416/ts_nm/usa_crime_shooting_dc_5

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Not to mention the teenagers.