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Civil Disobedience Poll

Started by Michael Fisher, April 14, 2005, 09:28 AM NHFT

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Michael Fisher

Please cast your vote on which act of civil disobedience (peaceful, non-violent, non-cooperation) we should do first.

AlanM

I cast my vote for the shampooing because it is a ridiculous law which will gain you a lot of support. Plus it is a NH law, not a Fed. law.

Neo Hantoni

I like both the letter carrier and shampooing ideas.  They each have advantages.

The shampooing idea is much easier to implement.  The "shop" can be opened up in a high-profile location, advertised locally, complete with protest lit, and at the end of the day everyone goes home, or everyone jail.  Everyone gets the message.  It should be done every weekend, perhaps traveling to different cities, until it ends however it ends.

The letter carrier idea, on the other hand, is not something you can do on a weekend.  I like it more personally, because it presents the kind of technical challenge that I enjoy.  But it requires more of a committment, more logistics, and more marketing.  A lot more.  Just having some guy drive a couple "letters" from another guy between cities in his Toyota won't get the kind of attention that I think you intend.

Michael Fisher

That would be private civil disobedience.  We want to make this as public as possible, with a crowd of people, supporters, police, and the press.

We will gather as many people as possible and make a HUGE scene in a very public place.  We can have a symbolic mailing where someone pays $0.10 to mail something to a friend across the street, then one of us will sell the stamp and deliver it right then and there.

For example, we could hold the civil resistance at the Rotary Arts Pavilion in Dover and walk the letter to an apartment across the street to mail it to a certain someone that lives there who is regularly on these forums.  ;)

We would probably be arrested on the spot if a mailbox was used.

Neo Hantoni

I would be surprised if they arrested anybody.  They would probably just laugh.  Maybe a way to get some publicity, but I do not think it rises to the level of civil disobedience.  Effective civil disobedience needs to make powerful people very mad.

Michael Fisher

Quote from: Neo Hantoni on April 14, 2005, 01:57 PM NHFT
I would be surprised if they arrested anybody.? They would probably just laugh.? Maybe a way to get some publicity, but I do not think it rises to the level of civil disobedience.? Effective civil disobedience needs to make powerful people very mad.

How do you define civil disobedience?? Have you ever watched the movie "Gandhi"?? You really should.

Michael Fisher

#6
Looks like we've got a few votes tallied for what we may want to do.

We'll need some help getting the necessary publicity to make this work.? We need at least 30-50 people, police, and press.? A small press release will not work.? This will require networking with many of our available contacts.

Michael Fisher

Oops...

Forgot to put this one:

"Publicly sell alcohol to adults between 18 and 20 years old.  Violation of US law."

KBCraig

Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 14, 2005, 10:35 PM NHFT
Oops...

Forgot to put this one:

"Publicly sell alcohol to adults between 18 and 20 years old.  Violation of US law."

Nope, that's still a state law. Of course, it's only a state law because of federal coercion, but I don't believe there is any federal law on selling alcohol to minors.

Kevin

Dave Ridley

I'm for the shampooing , barbequing or whatever, it's simple and visual and we don't have to stick with it forever we can do it once and move on if we like.   In front of the state house might be nice but who knows.   Oh also the trouble we'd get in would likely just be a fine at most, not some frigging suit posse from DC with Sigs and earpieces.

Russell Kanning

I can't decide which thing I like best. The shampooing in good and it could be protested at the state house and such since it is a silly NH law. :)

Michael Fisher

#11
The barbering, cosmetology, esthetics, and massaging idea seems to be winning out for our first civil resistance.

I look forward to this civil resistance and the TOTAL ELIMINATION of licensing laws in New Hampshire.

jgmaynard

TOTALLY comsmotology........

It's silly AND
It's a NH law

Wouldn't it be funny to do it on the statehouse steps? :D

JM

Michael Fisher

#13
Licensing it is!? This poll is clear.  Let's start planning for something for a week or two from now.

Actually, I'm moving in two weeks, so that's not good.  How about three weeks from now?

Let's tentatively set it for Saturday, May 7, at noon in Concord, NH.

Michael Fisher

By the way...

We will probably be fined, and I plan on refusing to pay the fine.