Population control via mass murder

[SAK]

This is an old topic, but a very serious one.  There are many people throughout the world who truly believe in mass murdering others in order to control some idea of "overpopulation" which they perceive.  I find this to be one of (if not the) most sick and twisted ideas I can ponder.  Many of these people are prominent politicians, globalists, scientists, academia, etc.  These are members of the elite who just so happen to also have the means to carry out such a campaign.  This is something to take seriously.  It also goes along with the same PLANS to carry this out as prescribed in many "prophecies."  I personally believe that the "prophecies" such as those in the New Testament of the Bible (keep in mind that I am a former Christian and used to believe this stuff), are actually the REVELATION aka the REVEALING of a plan of these same people which has been passed down for countless generations.  I don't disrespect anyone who believes the prophecies to actually be something else, but I would urge you to look into what's going on and see how it aligns.

Anyways, imagine 2/3 of the population OR MORE disappearing.  We're talking a lot of death. I don't believe this will happen by any "natural" means, but rather by careful and diabolical planning of a very small, sick, twisted, and deviant group of people.  I also believe that "soft kill" weapons have been in use for quite some time now.  Poison in our food (artificial and dangerous ingredients as well as poisonous "preservatives"), water (chlorine, fluoride, and many others), air (aluminum, barium, and many others via chemtrails, as well as the invisible radiation through our airwaves such as microwaves, ELF, and others).  The list goes on.  Some may believe that this has all come about simply by chance, and there is no reason to suspect any wrongdoing just because new "diseases" are being labeled and treated with "medicine" every day, people are dying of cancer more than ever, health in general has gone to hell and is getting worse.  There's much more going on than most would care to know.

Anyhow, i came across an article on prisonplanet (I don't read the site, but I did come across this article via link from the prisonplanet article about Nazi anti-smoking campaigns).  http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm

These people are seriously twisted and sick.  I couldn't help but write a letter to this demented miscreant.  I really would like to see people of his kind take my advice.

Dear Dr. Pianka,

I believe I?ve come up with a solution to the problem of overpopulation that would satisfy people on nearly all sides of the table.  Some believe we face a problem of overpopulation, while others do not.  Some believe we should take active measures to eliminate part of the population, while others believe otherwise.  Here is my proposal:

I cannot advocate murder by any means.  I believe it is completely wrong and immoral, and defies that which makes us civilized.  I do not have a problem with suicide, however.  If people such as yourself wish to limit the population, and wish to do so right now, I will not stop you.  It is your right to terminate your own life.  I think that all of those like you who would be willing to kill other people by force and without their consent should take this approach instead.  If you need assistance with it, I?m sure you could find people like myself who may be willing to assist you.  On that note, you should remember that natural law allows for reasonable self-defense.  If your intended victims catch wind of your plans ? should you make real plans to carry out such a campaign ? they would be well within their right to prevent it by whatever means necessary.  I think that the small minority of men and women who share your sick and twisted views ? as you are such a tiny minority of deviants ? should do the world a favor by ridding it of your illnesses and depravity.  Thanks for your time and consideration.  I hope you find this to be constructive and helpful.  Take care.

Sincerely yours,

Shaun Kranish
Founder-Director, ICarry.org
sak@icarry.org
815-979-3885

[error]

Two thirds? You underestimate them.
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/04/07/lizard-expert-calls-for-90-of-people-to-die-of-ebola/

[margomaps]

Conspiracy theories are definitely fun to ponder, but the main reasons for our ailing population are lack of exercise (especially), and poor diet (to a lesser extent).  Both lead to increased risk for all sorts of cancers, and obesity along with its attendant diseases -- especially heart disease and diabetes.  If you look at deaths that can be traced to poor fitness and diet, it probably adds up to well over half for adults in our country.

We're lazy, and we don't eat much of the foods that have the nutrients we need.  This is a recipe for disease and death for almost any type of animal, humans included.

[SAK]

No disagreement there, margo.  However, take a look at the medical industry.  They are NOT in the business of healing.  In fact, if they actually healed people -- they would be out of business.  Instead, they invent a pill for everything, get it patented, push it through the FDA (which gladly approves most), and sells it to us.  The stuff they sell can be accurately described as poison.  People don't heal, and in fact get worse.

Conspiracies, by the way, are hidden in plain sight.  You can read books of these sickos talking about their "medicine" and their plans for the future.  The stuff in old books is taking place now, and the stuff in books now will take place in the future.  It's not a complete secret -- these guys write about it and talk about it.  Put the pieces together.

[thinkliberty]

No disagreement there, margo.  However, take a look at the medical industry.  They are NOT in the business of healing.  In fact, if they actually healed people -- they would be out of business.  Instead, they invent a pill for everything, get it patented, push it through the FDA (which gladly approves most), and sells it to us.  The stuff they sell can be accurately described as poison.  People don't heal, and in fact get worse.

I have to disagree with you there. I am living proof that the "medical industry" IS in the business of healing. I am healed and in fact getting better.

I will say that the FDA is a bogus federal organization and hurts more people than it helps. The FDA should be dissolved.   

[Quantrill]

Scrapping Socialism would help towards reducing the population, without murdering anyone.

Win-win situation.  No more Socialism, and fewer stupid people...

[powerchuter]

Thanks Shaun!

Great letter!

[Puke]

If you want to curb population you had better do more than mass murder.
You'll need either nukes or a Bio/Chem weapons.

So, really it's governments that have that crap!

But I've read that the population will actually be shrinking some in coming years because as countries become more wealthy people tend to have fewer kids. If I recall correctly.

There was more to it then that, but we don't have all day.

[CNHT]

Scrapping Socialism would help towards reducing the population, without murdering anyone.

Win-win situation.  No more Socialism, and fewer stupid people...

Ahhh +1 for you Q for simply daring to be unpolitically correct!

[LiveFree]

I actually just did a paper on this.  Yes, overpopulation is a problem.  No, you don't need massive genocide to fix it.  These things tend to work themselves out over time.  Thomas Malthus said something about famine...  And yes, less socialism, less government control, will naturally lead to less stupid people, less criminals, etc.  Oh, and "development" (quotes because it's a vague term when you think about it) does indeed lead to less kids per family.

[mvpel]

A calculus textbook at Monument Mountain Regional High School in western Massachusetts has an example which involves graphing population data to calculate a population "carrying capacity" for the United States.

"Suppose reliable data suggested that the carrying capacity was 354 million..."

Subtle indoctrination in the public schools, who'd-a thunk it??

[SAK]

Dr. Pianka responded to me.  Here is his response (absent the 30 files he attached to the email).

Shaun,

Many thanks for your interest. Unfortunately, you have been misinformed  --

In addition to the above,  please look at the following websites:

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/Controversy.html

You can download a pdf copy of my actual speech, complete with some of the illustrations from:

http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/bio373/Vanishing.Book.pdf

Also, you might also be interested in:

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/Everybody.html

and

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/movies.html



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Eric R. Pianka
The University of Texas at Austin
Integrative Biology  C0930
One University Station
Austin, Texas 78712-0253

Phone: 512-471-7472
FAX: 512-471-3878

And I responded to his response, with:

I've looked at a few of the documents you sent, and will look at the others when I have time.  If your position has been misrepresented, then I am sorry for the letter I sent.  It is obvious that there is a limit as to how many humans the earth may support.  I don't think we're as near as you believe.  I also believe we're headed rapidly for catastrophe, although I credit it to other forces.

My research has led me to believe that "global warming" is a most absurd "science" (I don't think it can be called science at all).  Carbon dioxide is NOT a greenhouse gas, nor is it causing our problems.  Carbon dioxide is the absolute LEAST concern we should have associated with the use of fossil fuels.  The plants have always, and presumably will always balance out the carbon dioxide levels.

So, to get to the bottom of it all.  Although I'm sure I agree with you on many, many things, if you are advocating the willful destruction of human life, then I'm very appalled.  Indeed, many people believe in this, and these people are no better than the countless monsters who killed over 170 million last century.

If you'd like to go more to the heart of the problem, look no further than our governments.  Governments are the cause of most problems.  I do believe that governments will solve the overpopulation problem very soon (by means I don't like to even imagine), but you can rest assured they will cause more problems in the process than imaginable.  Yes, government shouldn't be rewarding people for popping out babies.  There are countless other activities governments in which governments should not be engaged.

Thankfully, man and woman may only be legally governed by consent.  If only this were widely-known and practiced, we wouldn't be so badly off.  Thanks for your reply.  If you'd like to check out a web site I recently started, go to http://www.makethestand.com.  We don't support any actions of illegitimate governments -- especially the social-engineering that is so prevalent.  It would be nice if more academia opted out of the social-engineering (socialism) lie.

Shaun Kranish
Founder-Director, ICarry.org
sak@icarry.org
815-979-3885