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Rate these potential acts of civil dis in New Hampshire

Started by Dave Ridley, May 30, 2007, 12:30 PM NHFT

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Dave Ridley

dada thank kat

I'm going to redo the text list in my order of priority too

Dave Ridley


This is roughly the order I put them in.
But in the near future I will probably tend to prefer ideas that could be used to help ron paul.

serve wine to underage Iraq war vet in front of an appropriate state office
selling sales-taxable items without adding the tax  ( i.e. sell meals in front of state house )
occupying a home threatened with govt. seizure
set up a sales kiosk on the 34 west property in keene.
Take piece of hard candy to ed brown ( he's alread getting resupplied I think but the difference in this case would be informing the authorities in advance).
FIJA disobedience (enter a court with literature for the jurors or stand up and speak out about juror rights during a trial)
Planting hemp seeds in front of an appropriate bureaucracy
Lighting or puffing a joint in front of an appropriate bureaucracy
parent serving small amount of wine to son or daughter who's a minor
doing some type of licensed business w/o license
violate balloon release law with biodegradable baloon - is there such a thing?  Has this been signed by the governor?
selling cold meds w/o id requirement or in unapproved quantities
Maybe also some kind of disobedience related to ron paul?  someone suggested arrests at a democrat reps office who voted to continue the iraqupation.
walking up to Post Office anti gun signs ... and adding the rest of the law to one of them
operate pocket bike on public road
spending liberty dollars in front of fed bldg
melting a penney or nickel outside a fed building
repeat irs flyer handout
Demonstrate inside the DEA or some other jackboot-friendly bureaucracy
Hire a worker for below minimum wage ... in front of the appropriate government office
Audio-recording a cop
fishing w/o license
Police Checkpoint civil dis - half the fun would be us spreading out and finding it LOL
  - could be replicated at Federal checkpoint on the interstate
Alter a U.S. coin:  http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Silver_Surfer_Coin.html
establishing "free zone"  inside a property targetted for seizure
other coin related disobedience ?

Dave Ridley

how can we take these ideas and leverage them to ron paul's benefit?

how can we leverage the ron paul phenomenon to the advantage of our own civil dis campaign?

MaineShark

Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 31, 2007, 11:33 AM NHFTparent serving small amount of wine to son or daughter who's a minor

Hmmm... one of the very few cases where Maine is more free than NH.  It wouldn't even occur to me that that would be illegal here, since Maine law exempts parents who give their minor children a "reasonable amount" of alcohol or tobacco, and NH is rarely more restrictive than Maine.

Joe

Dreepa

Quote from: MaineShark on May 31, 2007, 10:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 31, 2007, 11:33 AM NHFTparent serving small amount of wine to son or daughter who's a minor

Hmmm... one of the very few cases where Maine is more free than NH.  It wouldn't even occur to me that that would be illegal here, since Maine law exempts parents who give their minor children a "reasonable amount" of alcohol or tobacco, and NH is rarely more restrictive than Maine.

Joe
There may be an exemption for parents giving wine... I think that KBC posted it in the past.
I was looking for it and found this:
Quote
Section 179:27
        II. No beverages or liquor shall be served or consumed in foyers, hallways, kitchens, restrooms, or other areas not approved for service by the commission.
So no drinking in the bathroom.  I will have to start arresting people if I see them take a sip in there.


MaineShark

Quote from: Dreepa on June 01, 2007, 09:20 AM NHFTI was looking for it and found this:
QuoteSection 179:27
        II. No beverages or liquor shall be served or consumed in foyers, hallways, kitchens, restrooms, or other areas not approved for service by the commission.
So no drinking in the bathroom.  I will have to start arresting people if I see them take a sip in there.

Uh, why would you be inspecting people's bathroom-drinking habits? :o

Joe

Dreepa

I have often taken my beer with me to the bathroom. Probably did it much more so in my younger rowdier days.  I may have even had some beer in there.  and now I find out it is against the law.

Pat McCotter

Quote from: Dreepa on June 01, 2007, 09:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: MaineShark on May 31, 2007, 10:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: DadaOrwell on May 31, 2007, 11:33 AM NHFTparent serving small amount of wine to son or daughter who's a minor

Hmmm... one of the very few cases where Maine is more free than NH.  It wouldn't even occur to me that that would be illegal here, since Maine law exempts parents who give their minor children a "reasonable amount" of alcohol or tobacco, and NH is rarely more restrictive than Maine.

Joe
There may be an exemption for parents giving wine... I think that KBC posted it in the past.


KBC was referring to Texas.

Ogre

Wow.  So many excellent ideas.  I'll be visiting the state in a few weeks for vacation -- if one pops up, I'll be there.

But on the child one -- I'm betting most will not take that risk (if it is indeed against the law).  The Department of Child Services (whatever they call it in NH) is the most evil group on the planet.  I'm willing to fight "the man," but if I do something that draws their attention, it's likely going to end up in some deaths because they're going to have to kill me before they take my children away from me -- and I know they're perfectly willing to do that.  So I'll fight, but I'm not risking being permanently separated from my young children against my will while the state tells them lies about me.

Dave Ridley

maybe someone with an 17 - 20  year old "child" would have less risk

d_goddard

I don't think this is a good one (protesting it would alienate a lot of people), but it seems the House of Representatives is poised to pass the following.
It was attached to a more or less unrelated bill SB223

Quote from: Amendment 2007-1837h644:2-b  Prohibition on Funeral Protests.
            I.  In this section, "funeral" means the ceremonies, processions, and memorial services held in connection with the burial or cremation of the dead.
            II.  It shall be unlawful for any person to engage in picketing or other protest activities at any location at which a funeral is held, within one hour prior to the commencement of any funeral, and until one hour following the cessation of any funeral, if such picketing or other protest activities:
                  (a)  Take place within 150 feet of a road, pathway, or other route of ingress to or egress from cemetery property and include, as part of such activities, any individual willfully making or assisting in the making of any noise or diversion that disturbs or tends to disturb the peace or good order of the funeral, memorial service, or ceremony; or
                  (b)  Are within 300 feet of such cemetery and impede the access to or egress from such cemetery.
            III.  Each day on which a violation of this section occurs shall constitute a separate offense.  Violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor, unless committed by a person who has previously pled guilty to or been found guilty of a violation of this section, in which case the violation is a class A misdemeanor.

Thanks to Rep. Winters for pointing this out.

Recumbent ReCycler

I think stopping along the side of the highway near a speed trap and holding a sign warning others about it would be a cool one. 
I wonder if religious tracts would be considered handbills.  Maybe something that includes "Thou shalt not kill", "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor", "Thou shalt not covet your neighbour's house ... nor anything that is thy neighbour's." These are all things that people in the govenment appear to do quite frequently.

lildog

Quote from: d_goddard on June 01, 2007, 05:40 PM NHFT
I don't think this is a good one (protesting it would alienate a lot of people), but it seems the House of Representatives is poised to pass the following.
It was attached to a more or less unrelated bill SB223

Quote from: Amendment 2007-1837h644:2-b  Prohibition on Funeral Protests.
            I.  In this section, "funeral" means the ceremonies, processions, and memorial services held in connection with the burial or cremation of the dead.
            II.  It shall be unlawful for any person to engage in picketing or other protest activities at any location at which a funeral is held, within one hour prior to the commencement of any funeral, and until one hour following the cessation of any funeral, if such picketing or other protest activities:
                  (a)  Take place within 150 feet of a road, pathway, or other route of ingress to or egress from cemetery property and include, as part of such activities, any individual willfully making or assisting in the making of any noise or diversion that disturbs or tends to disturb the peace or good order of the funeral, memorial service, or ceremony; or
                  (b)  Are within 300 feet of such cemetery and impede the access to or egress from such cemetery.
            III.  Each day on which a violation of this section occurs shall constitute a separate offense.  Violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor, unless committed by a person who has previously pled guilty to or been found guilty of a violation of this section, in which case the violation is a class A misdemeanor.

Thanks to Rep. Winters for pointing this out.

I wrote about that one on NHInsider.

http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-barnes/2007/5/21/hard-to-defend-free-speech.html

Dave Ridley

What do you guys think about the "delivery of jolly rancher to ed brown" civil dis idea?

We were talking about doing this back in late april after the edict came down threatening new hampshirites with arrest if they make deliveries to ed.  our discussions of the subject ended up in the paper.

I wasn't in a position to do it myself then but this month maybe i can.

I don't think he really is in need of supplies but it would be fun to do something innocuous and symbolic, after fully informing the authorities of the plan.

What do you guys think?

I dont know if ed would let me on the property so i might just have to leave the candy next to his mailbox or something.  also I could attach a note urging ed to apologize for and rescind his warnings of off-property retaliation against officials.   That would make an arrest all the more silly looking and get a point across to ed that he might not accept otherwise.

Thoughts?

TackleTheWorld

I like any and all acts of CD discussed here. 

Taking food to Ed & Elaine works for me.  I'd be willing to do it, with the variation of food being a bag of fruit and vegetables because Ed and Elaine really like them and it would be cruel to let them get scurvy.  After all, even prisoners get proper nutrition.

Alternately, if Dada takes the jolly rancher to Ed's driveway, I'll take it the rest of the way.