Boston.com: "Vermont secession movement gains traction"

[Lasse]

I will move to Vermont if they seceed. I already live in a socialist country. If I'm going to live in a socialist country anyway, I might as well live in one that's close to New Hampshire.

Same. I mean, rather just socialism than socialism and fascism. Atleast there's the opportunity to own firearms and flee to neighbour NH should things get really out of hand.

Recent surveys here report that 75% of the surveyed group was in favour of biometric passports, national ID, DNA and fingerprint registries and increased camera surveillance as long as it was for 'their safety'. <shudder>

[jsorens]

The Second Vermont Republic is *not* a socialist group.
In fact, FSP icon Jason Sorens is an advisor to their group.

that is what makes them too radical .... remember?

I advise them to drop the secession thing in favor of self-government.  In all seriousness, I think Vermont could become independent one day, but I think it might take 30-40 years to get that 13% up to 51%. Most of the group seems to think that peak oil + imperialism + global warming will cause everything to come crashing down imminently.

[Russell Kanning]

some of us cant handle self governing, but we are willing to try it since the current system is so bad

[Insurgent]

The Second Vermont Republic is *not* a socialist group.
In fact, FSP icon Jason Sorens is an advisor to their group.

that is what makes them too radical .... remember?

I advise them to drop the secession thing in favor of self-government.  In all seriousness, I think Vermont could become independent one day, but I think it might take 30-40 years to get that 13% up to 51%. Most of the group seems to think that peak oil + imperialism + global warming will cause everything to come crashing down imminently.

Do they see secession as helping towards the goal of surviving Peak Oil and collapse, or are the topics not related in their thinking?

[jsorens]

The Second Vermont Republic is *not* a socialist group.
In fact, FSP icon Jason Sorens is an advisor to their group.

that is what makes them too radical .... remember?

I advise them to drop the secession thing in favor of self-government.  In all seriousness, I think Vermont could become independent one day, but I think it might take 30-40 years to get that 13% up to 51%. Most of the group seems to think that peak oil + imperialism + global warming will cause everything to come crashing down imminently.

Do they see secession as helping towards the goal of surviving Peak Oil and collapse, or are the topics not related in their thinking?

Yes... They think transportation networks will degrade, which will force people to eat and buy locally, so they want to create a "self-sufficient" Vermont for that eventuality. I'm talking here of the "mainstream" of the secessionist movement, but not the organization's official stances. Officially, SVR is open to all ideological persuasions, something that has actually riled the left wing of the movement. If those silly ideas were part of their official platform, I wouldn't be on their Board of Advisers.

[KurtDaBear]

I will move to Vermont if they seceed. I already live in a socialist country. If I'm going to live in a socialist country anyway, I might as well live in one that's close to New Hampshire.

Same. I mean, rather just socialism than socialism and fascism. Atleast there's the opportunity to own firearms and flee to neighbour NH should things get really out of hand.

Recent surveys here report that 75% of the surveyed group was in favour of biometric passports, national ID, DNA and fingerprint registries and increased camera surveillance as long as it was for 'their safety'. <shudder>

There is no non-fascist socialism, except to those whose property has not yet been taken by socialists.  Socialism is lower on the morality scale than armed robbery because an armed robber at least has the courage to take a gun, point it in your face and rob you personally--socialists get together, pass a law that declares they need your property "for the greater good," then hire storm troopers to come take it from you.

It's one of history's great ironies to hear the socialists in Vermont complaining about how large and unwieldy the U.S. government is, considering that they are essentially responsible for its present form.

But let the Vermont socialists secede.  After the federal government invades under the A. Lincoln Mafia Manifesto (You can join the U.S., but you can't get out alive.), there won't be too many living people left there.  The state will be laid waste in the March to Lake Champlain.  If the feds do to a whole state what they did to the religious extremists at Waco, it might wake a lot of Americans up as to the true nature of their government.  Years later, we can honor all the dead Vermonters as martyrs of the New Republic.

[Lasse]

I will move to Vermont if they seceed. I already live in a socialist country. If I'm going to live in a socialist country anyway, I might as well live in one that's close to New Hampshire.

Same. I mean, rather just socialism than socialism and fascism. Atleast there's the opportunity to own firearms and flee to neighbour NH should things get really out of hand.

Recent surveys here report that 75% of the surveyed group was in favour of biometric passports, national ID, DNA and fingerprint registries and increased camera surveillance as long as it was for 'their safety'. <shudder>

There is no non-fascist socialism, except to those whose property has not yet been taken by socialists.  Socialism is lower on the morality scale than armed robbery because an armed robber at least has the courage to take a gun, point it in your face and rob you personally--socialists get together, pass a law that declares they need your property "for the greater good," then hire storm troopers to come take it from you.

It's one of history's great ironies to hear the socialists in Vermont complaining about how large and unwieldy the U.S. government is, considering that they are essentially responsible for its present form.

But let the Vermont socialists succeed.  After the federal government invades under the A. Lincoln Mafia Manifesto (You can join the U.S., but you can't get out alive.), there won't be too many living people left there.  The state will be laid waste in the March to Lake Champlain.  If the feds do to a whole state what they did to the religious extremists at Waco, it might wake a lot of Americans up as to the true nature of their government.  Years later, we can honor all the dead Vermonters as martyrs of the New Republic.

I know, socialism and fascism is the same, I just used 'socialism' for economic oppression and 'fascism' for general civil liberties oppression. It's practical.

[Seamas]

Before the FSP existed my long term plan was to move to VT.  Among the reasons were: lack of gun laws, incredible natural beauty, proximity to my folks, great skiing and hiking, and great motorcycle roads.  The socialism has gotten much worse in recent years and they now have one of the highest tax rates in the country.    In the movie "White Christmas" they made a joke about how rare Democrats are in VT, which shows how far  they've gone in the wrong direction.

I have to admit, I'd be mighty tempted to move there as well depending on the amount of socialism imposed, if any, and whether or not they retained the lack of gun laws.

[supperman15]

History is won by the victors, the south had a president...  GAHHH!!! stupid historians

[Braddogg]

History is won by the victors, the south had a president...  GAHHH!!! stupid historians

???

[supperman15]

dugh, history is won by the victors... you obviously fail to see my briliance...

I ment history is written by the victors, as a confedorate if they were a seperate union.  They were just forced to rejoin

[CNHT]

Trouble with the Vt secession movement is, it's moving toward governance ala UN whether some proponents know it or not.

If it were just Vt independence, that would be a hoss of a different color.

But to join with the maritimes in a 'shire', wlll that's just becoming world government.

[Braddogg]

dugh, history is won by the victors... you obviously fail to see my briliance...

I ment history is written by the victors, as a confedorate if they were a seperate union.  They were just forced to rejoin

Sure . . . I was just wondering if that was a response to another post, like one from a stupid historian, or if you just wanted to share your wisdom with us without relation to anything else a stupid historian said in the thread . . . .

[lildog]

last year elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.

While I don't agree with socialism, I do have to respect socialists who admit what they are.  Too often in this country we find people pushing for socialism but hide what it is they truly support in order to trick the simple minded.

[CNHT]

Has anyone else heard a story regarding Vermont trying to break away from the union?  I cant find any material on it.

Thanks,
Nonya

There is a secessionist movement but they are leftists and would join a 'bioregion' under the auspices of the UN so they really would just be joining bigger government than the USA.