If Ed Brown dies then so do I.

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Get rid of free health care.

[Brock]

Ah, now I see what you meant by 141.  I thought you were referencing the title of a report.   

Yes, from everything I've seen, hospitals are losing money partly due to undocumented migrants not paying hospital bills.  This is hardly surprising, though, when they are by law excluded from participating in the financial and credit system.  Since they are understandably reticent to provide an address that could lead La Migre to them, their only payment option is cash.  If they don't have $4,000 on them when they get injured or fall ill, well...

The $20,000 figure you referenced above comes from a Heritage Foundation report (not CIS as I stated above).  It is the average net entitlement that the family of an unskilled migrant (naturalized and not) from Mexico and Latin America received from the federal government in 2004.   The report states that these families receive three times the benefits they pay in.  But there's a problem.

The Heritage Foundation underestimated the contributions by over 45%.  How much over, I can't tell, but because of the way it's underestimated I'd lay money it's a lot higher than 50%.  But, I'll go with "over 45%" because 45% is the number the Heritage Foundation used in their calculations.

OK, so the entitlements received from the feds are still 50% higher than the contributions.  But, at the state level (Texas, at least), the Comptroller estimates taxes paid less entitlements are a net gain.  A net gain at the state and local level of $795 million in 2004.  While hospitals suffered a $1.3 billion loss in that same year, in 2005 undocumented migrants contributed $17.7 billion to the gross state product.

I'm not willing to stand on any of the data that is currently available.  There are assumptions about assumptions and the sources contain too many biases.  I urge you to hold some skepticism, also, of the palaver you hear from Dobbs, Gingrich, Gilchrest, Boortz, et al.  They most definitely have not run the numbers.

[CNHT]

Ah, now I see what you meant by 141.  I thought you were referencing the title of a report.   

Sorry I realized that after...I was trying to talk on radio and type at the same time.
Yes 141 hospitals going out of business is enough evidence for me.
Then it doesn't matter if you have health care insurance, if there is no hospital to go to.
And the fact that they advertise that we are so nice here we will treat you free.

[YixilTesiphon]

Get rid of free health care.

That is the obvious solution, and the one suggested by Ron Paul, for that matter.

[CNHT]

Get rid of free health care.

That is the obvious solution, and the one suggested by Ron Paul, for that matter.

Yeah well we all agree with that but we have many people pushing for the opposite -- socialized medicine and growing government and bringing in more people who need that just speeds up the merging of the countries, the institution of the health care (since you need a certain amount of people to support the system) and finally, the RFID method that would have to go wtih the health care program.

The socialists can't wait, they love big government and they will live high off the hog of it while you support the rest of the masses.

[KBCraig]

Get rid of free health care.

That is the obvious solution, and the one suggested by Ron Paul, for that matter.

More accurately stated, the "obvious solution" is to get rid of "free (to the user, but paid by taxpayers) health care". Ron Paul is absolutely supportive of charitable health care, and has provided a good deal of it in his medical practice.

Kevin

[Jay Mick]

I hope you all know you just lost your most die hard revolutionary to the dark side. I know none of you will believe me, but I am a elite talent that you did not respect. The revolution was my profession and I was a master of drawling attention by use of propaganda.

[Braddogg]

I hope you all know you just lost your most die hard revolutionary to the dark side. I know none of you will believe me, but I am a elite talent that you did not respect. The revolution was my profession and I was a master of drawling attention by use of propaganda.

One last smite for good measure . . . .

[Kat Kanning]

Respect is earned, not handed to someone because they logged on to a forum.

[Russell Kanning]

The revolution was my profession and I was a master of drawling attention by use of propaganda.

maybe we have different goals .... since we have different means

what is the dark side in this case?

[TylerM]

I think this Jay Mick kid is a bit wacked out upstairs. Too much Matrix and public High School it seems.

[Jay Mick]

Or I could be using faux personalities as a way to get a read on a certain situation. I could be creating specific identities, because I predetermined which personally would give me the best read on a precise person or situation. I could be completely indifferent to any insult, because such responses were a expected response of my own psychological controlled experiment on a subject. I could be freedom fighter professionally and study the best ways to bring a positive response to the revolutions cause. Or maybe your right and I just like to be insulted by large groups of people.

[KBCraig]

I am a elite l33t talent

There, that's better. 

[CNHT]

Nope only myspace....

LOL MySpace? I guess that tells it all...

[CNHT]

At least he's DOING something!

Too bad it's not something constructive.

Egging someone on to do anything like this is completely irresponsible...shame on that.