If Ed Brown dies then so do I.

[CNHT]

There's no clarification necessary.

The official stance on the Browns situation and thousands of others who go to jail for nonpayment of taxes simply this --- they need to pay their taxes.
And that's straight from the campaign.

While Ron's position on getting rid of the IRS is clear, some think this translates into support for breaking the law, and it does NOT.

What blog are you talking about?

[LordBaltimore]

There's no clarification necessary.

The official stance on the Browns situation and thousands of others who go to jail for nonpayment of taxes simply this --- they need to pay their taxes.
And that's straight from the campaign.

The official stance isn't clear at all as a result of Dr. Paul's involvement in the Aaron Russo movie which states quite emphatically that nobody has to pay taxes.

What blog are you talking about?

The main Ed and Elaine blog is called QuestForFairTrialinConcordNH:

http://questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com/search?q=ron+paul

[Henry]

Ed has never asked for any armed supporters..

Yes he has.  He called it his armed wall of support.

What Ed has called for more recently, however, is for supporters to stay away from the property when the raid occurs so that they'll be able to kill the judge, the prosecutor, the IRS agent, and the US Attorney who prosecuted his case. According to Ed, their families are to be targeted as well.

I've listened to every word out of Ed and Elaine's mouths in recent weeks and nowhere do either of them say this. I know which statements you're alluding to and this is a big stretch to say they're somehow calling for violence. Anyone in doubt can listen to the recent interviews for themselves.

[CNHT]

Well I have never in the last 20 years heard them say anything like that so I hope it's not true.

And it's not that I don't hate the IRS like the rest of you do, but if someone chooses to do this, they sort of have an idea what the consequences will be.

It's wrong to be asking people to do things like quit their jobs with the IRS or otherwise prove themselves with more drastic things.

I find it more fun to get corrupt officials fired or to quit their jobs by exposing their corruption and letting it happen naturally, as we have done so many times that you never hear about. I can tell you it isn't done by silent demonstrations over at the IRS!

[Anti NWO Militia]

This situation is about alot more then the IRS....ALOT MORE!

[CNHT]

This situation is about alot more then the IRS....ALOT MORE!

Could be but it is wrong to try to get publicity for your cause by trying to latch onto someone who is running for president like that guy with the website wanted to do.

[Caleb]

Ed has never asked for any armed supporters..

Yes he has.  He called it his armed wall of support.

What Ed has called for more recently, however, is for supporters to stay away from the property when the raid occurs so that they'll be able to kill the judge, the prosecutor, the IRS agent, and the US Attorney who prosecuted his case. According to Ed, their families are to be targeted as well.

I have never seen where Ed says this. If so, this is a moral outrage, and anyone who would think of going along with this program is morally bankrupt.

Can you show me where Ed has called for this?

[CNHT]

Thanks Caleb. I have not really been following the Brown's situation that much so I could not say I could prove they did not say this, but was hoping others could step up and provide proof that this is an outrageous extrapolation of the facts by some.

[CNHT]

It's wrong to be asking people to do things like quit their jobs with the IRS

What's wrong with that?

Because they are innocent people just trying to make a living and to put the burden on them for the whole boondoggle of the IRS to somehow 'prove themselves' to me is just as immoral and ridiculous.

It's like saying a certain person is the 'only one who can save the Browns' to prove himself. Please gimme a break.

[Caleb]

Because they are innocent people just trying to make a living and to put the burden on them for the whole boondoggle of the IRS to somehow 'prove themselves' to me is just as immoral and ridiculous.

Yes, they are just trying to earn a living, and yes they are a misguided part of the system, but they are the most essential part of the system. It isn't possible for a few tyrants to enslave the rest of us without the cooperation of "useful idiots". They are *not* innocent though; they are the ones who actually do the grunt work which destroys people's lives. That's why it is important to show them the reality of what they are doing, and ask them to quit their jobs.

We will never rid ourselves of those who have a lust for power. The goal is, hopefully, to get the rest of humanity to refuse to cooperate. That's why Thoreau said the revolution would finally be won when there was nobody willing to be a soldier or a bureaucrat.

[CNHT]

Because they are innocent people just trying to make a living and to put the burden on them for the whole boondoggle of the IRS to somehow 'prove themselves' to me is just as immoral and ridiculous.

Yes, they are just trying to earn a living, and yes they are a misguided part of the system, but they are the most essential part of the system. It isn't possible for a few tyrants to enslave the rest of us without the cooperation of "useful idiots". They are *not* innocent though; they are the ones who actually do the grunt work which destroys people's lives. That's why it is important to show them the reality of what they are doing, and ask them to quit their jobs.

We will never rid ourselves of those who have a lust for power. The goal is, hopefully, to get the rest of humanity to refuse to cooperate. That's why Thoreau said the revolution would finally be won when there was nobody willing to be a soldier or a bureaucrat.

So what do you suggest they do, go on welfare?

[Romak]

You people really are something. What hope does a free society have when the very people who are supposively their biggest supporters cant even get along. Its like any other blog Ive ready or on line chat discussion Ive read all they do is argue when they are apparently on the same team. Look its pretty simple, we all know the income tax is immoral and illegal, but why not vote the right people into office to abolish it? You cant just stop paying. That makes you look ridiculous. Believe me Ive considered it knowing that Id have 30K or so more a year to spend on my children, but until its obvious to me that its legal to do so I will continue to pay with a heavy heart. Im voting Ron Paul because he wants to abolish it. If he gets into office we have a chance to make a difference. This deal with Ed Brown is insane on both ends. The Feds are dumb enough to raid him and make a martyr out of him, and Ed is dumb enough to threaten their lives and those of their families. Dont know about you but if someone threatened to kill my children and wife Id be pretty interested in seeing their demise as well. We all know the Federal Govt oversteps their bounds quite often especially with Clinton in office, but the fact remains he is a convicted Felon. What gives him the right to not serve his time when others convicted of Felonies serve their time. He should've prepared better for his court battle(no lawyer option was insane). I support his cause but dont support him killing anyone in the process. What good will that do for those who want to remain free?

[LordBaltimore]

I have posted several examples of Ed's threats of violence on the big Ed Brown thread.  Here's an example from the Republic Broadcast Network (Ed's daily one hour radio show).  You can contact them for a copy of the archive recording.

The guest for the day was a detax guru from Pennsylvania named David Clarence.

EDWARD BROWN: Follow this. Here's the bottom line to the whole thing. David knows just exactly as we know that once you've used the lawful word, you've done it the absolute proper way, and they still come at you, they are now attacking the Creator himself or itself. When that happens, you have an obligation. David, what is that obligation?

DAVID CLARENCE: To stand up for the law.

EDWARD BROWN: To kill every one of them. You understand? Because that the words that people don't want to talk about. When they go against everything, especially when they go against God, now they're telling you that they absolutely could care less about you. We are here to do nothing but murder you, murder your God, murder your life, murder your planet, this is for us. These people are the most incarnate people you're ever going to meet, if they are even people. You kill them. That is exactly what the 10 Commandments tell you to do. That's exactly what all of God's laws plus the Bill of Rights tells you to do. That's exactly what the statutory laws of each state tell you to do, even if they wear uniforms. And I'm telling you right now if they go that far and cross that line, do what the law tells you to do. That's what I finally concluded to.

David agrees for a couple of minutes, citing vaious Bible verses.

DAVID CLARENCE: What's the commandment for a disobedient son that will not follow the law? Kill him.

EDWARD BROWN: The ones that are wise enough to back away are the ones you forgive. But the ones that keep on coming, you take care of their seed.

ELAINE BROWN: They leave you no choice.

EDWARD BROWN: What we want to do now is make sure that we identify all those now who help, aid, and abet those enemies both foreign and domestic as to who the real criminals really are. We want to make sure of that. 

[CNHT]

You people really are something. What hope does a free society have when the very people who are supposively their biggest supporters cant even get along. Its like any other blog Ive ready or on line chat discussion Ive read all they do is argue when they are apparently on the same team. Look its pretty simple, we all know the income tax is immoral and illegal, but why not vote the right people into office to abolish it? You cant just stop paying. That makes you look ridiculous.

That's right. Having the chance to put someone in office who might actually care about these things is too good an opportunity to ruin by using his candidacy to make a martyr out of him by demanding he stand up for people who knew the consequences.

I noticed in the debates that once Ron started talking about getting rid of the IRS so did some of the others. If you remember, Steve Forbes made it the cornerstone of his campaign. That's where you need to converge your energies, not vowing to go get killed for the cause of the Browns. They can only help themselves now.

[LordBaltimore]

That's right. Having the chance to put someone in office who might actually care about these things is too good an opportunity to ruin by using his candidacy to make a martyr out of him by demanding he stand up for people who knew the consequences.

What she said.