If Ed Brown dies then so do I.

[LordBaltimore]

A Concord Monitor article on Ed's threats

Plainfield

Ed Brown denies making threats 
Recorded statements speak to the contrary 

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff


April 27. 2007 8:00AM

In a response to recent communications from the U.S. Marshal, Ed Brown has posted a letter on the internet saying that he has "never threatened anyone in (his) life" but warning that if the marshals take action against him, he will "use equal or greater force as the law dictates."

The Plainfield man, who was sentenced to more than five years in prison this week for conspiring to evade payment of his wife's taxes and concealing large financial transactions, remains holed up in his fortified hilltop home, despite bench warrants that call for the arrest of both himself and his wife, Elaine.

U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier issued a statement and released a letter that he had sent to the Browns after their sentencing hearings Tuesday, which the Browns did not attend. The letter told the couple that warrants for their arrest "are not going away" and asked them to surrender peacefully to authorities.

Since abandoning his federal trial and retreating to his home in January, Brown has repeatedly said that any attempts to arrest him would result in a violent confrontation. He has also gone further. On a daily internet radio show and in videos posted online, Brown has directly named investigators, prosecutors and the judge in his case, suggesting that they could be killed if anything happens to him. At other times, he has said their actions to date already justify retaliation.

"I wouldn't want to be this U.S. attorney. I wouldn't want to be this judge or these other people. This James John or anybody else that decides to come down here. Their names are already out there," Brown said in a video posted to the internet in early February, naming the lead IRS investigator on his tax case. "They are just as vulnerable as I am. And if they're so foolish and stupid to think that they're not, hey, doom on them."

The February video was not the only time when Brown mentioned targets by name. He has repeatedly stated the names of the judge in his case, the U.S. attorney for New Hampshire and the assistant U.S. attorney who brought charges against him and his wife. In one video, he urges his audience repeatedly to remember the name of the assistant prosecutor, "William E. Morse," which he repeats several times.
"Just remember him, boys. Remember who he is," Brown says, near the end of the recording.

In a radio interview in late March, Brown indicated that the unwillingness of federal authorities to see his righteousness made it his moral responsibility to kill them.

"Once you've used the lawful word, you've done it the absolute proper way, and they still come at you, they are now attacking the Creator himself or itself," he said to a fellow guest. "You kill them. That is exactly what the Ten Commandments tell you to do."

But in his recent letter, he disputed the marshal's contention that he had threatened violence or public safety, saying the marshal had fabricated "alleged threats against federal personnel."

"I Edward Lewis family Brown, have never threatened anyone in my life," the letter reads. "It is unlawful to threaten, however, I have warned everyone and anyone that has ever threatened me."

The letter was posted Wednesday night on Brown's MySpace page, myspace.com/time2makeastand. A former military contractor named Cirino Gonzales has been updating the page since he arrived at the Browns' house from Texas last week. In his posting of the letter, Gonzales described it as a direct transcription of Brown's words. In a brief phone interview yesterday, Brown refused to confirm that the letter was his, saying only, "do not call me any more."

Monier said that he did not wish to respond to Brown's letter but emphasized that his position has not changed.

"There are warrants for his arrest. He's got to turn himself in," he said.

As for Brown's contention that there have been no threats: "His previous statements have been well-documented," Monier said.

By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ

[LordBaltimore]

And the following appeared in a side article to the above story:

Browns on the record 

By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ
Monitor staff

April 27. 2007 8:00AM

In a letter posted on his website Wednesday, Ed Brown said that he has "never threatened anyone." Here are some statements that Brown and his wife, Elaine, have made in recent months in newspaper interviews, radio broadcasts and videos posted on the internet.

Ed Brown: "You attack my property, it's going to get really violent. I don't care who it is."

Concord Monitor, Jan. 16

Ed Brown: "This is the beginning of one very huge movement. I'm not quite sure you understand the ramifications of what's going on right now. This is massive. This is international. We are fed up with the Zionist Illuminati. That's what this is all about. Loud and clear. Zionist Illuminati. Lawyers, whatever they are, okay, it's going to stop. And if the judge is a member of that, I know that McAuliffe is, I know that U.S. Attorney Colantuono is, they'd better stop. This is a warning. You can do whatever you want to me. My job is to get the message out, and I'm getting the message out, and I'm warning you guys - not you guys (show hosts), them - to cease and desist their unlawful activity in this country and every other country because once this thing starts, we're going to seek them out and hunt them down. And we're going to bring them to justice. So anybody wishes to join them, you go right ahead and join them. But I promise you, long after I'm gone, they're going to seek out every one of you and your bloodline."

Constitution for the Defense radio show, Truth Radio, Feb. 2.

Ed Brown: "These people need to be strung up, they are so criminal."

Ed Brown: "A lot of people would love the opportunity to rip out their hearts and shove them back down their throats."

Ed Brown Video Blog, Feb. 4

Ed Brown: "I just want everyone to remember one final and parting shot. I want everyone to really remember the name William E. Morse, the assistant U.S. attorney. He is evil beyond evil."

Ed Brown Video Blog, March 2.

Elaine Brown: "You've got to use force." Ed Brown: "How?" Elaine Brown: "To the death."

Elaine Brown: "We don't know how this will end. But there are only two ways we are coming out of here. Either as a free man and as a free woman or in body bags. That has not changed, and that's the stand that everyone must take. Because if we come out in body bags, there's going to be a few more, too. That's not a threat. That's just noticing them that this is the stand that we will take. We have not changed our minds."

Ed Brown Under Siege radio show, Republic Broadcasting Network, March 20

Ed Brown: "These people are the most incarnate people you're ever going to meet, if they are even people. You kill them. That is exactly what the Ten Commandments tell you to do.

"That's exactly what all of God's laws plus the Bill of Rights tells you to do."

Ed Brown Under Siege radio show, March 26

[Bald Eagle]

"You people really are something. What hope does a free society have when the very people who are supposively their biggest supporters cant even get along. Its like any other blog Ive ready or on line chat discussion Ive read all they do is argue when they are apparently on the same team."

It's a free society BECAUSE we're free to bicker amongst ourselves.  We're not told by some central FSP leader what the best thing to think and do is. 

It's how free people work things out in the real world.  Or maybe you've never sat in on a group meeting at a multi-billion dollar corporation.  It's the SAME EXACT BS ... only with coffee donuts and really really yummy berry linzer tortes. 

"Look its pretty simple, we all know the income tax is immoral and illegal, but why not vote the right people into office to abolish it? You cant just stop paying. That makes you look ridiculous. Believe me Ive considered it knowing that Id have 30K or so more a year to spend on my children, but until its obvious to me that its legal to do so I will continue to pay with a heavy heart."

Right.  We're just supposed to be obediently little nigger slaves and sit at the back of the bus when we're told by our masters.  Except that Rosa Parks thought more of herself than that and ... just said NO and _just stopped obeying_.  I'll bet she looked like a ridiculous little colored girl.  Sooner or later it's just got to stop, and the brave/foolish/you-decide people need to be free to grapple with the situation as they see fit.


"Im voting Ron Paul because he wants to abolish it. If he gets into office we have a chance to make a difference. This deal with Ed Brown is insane on both ends. The Feds are dumb enough to raid him and make a martyr out of him, and Ed is dumb enough to threaten their lives and those of their families. Dont know about you but if someone threatened to kill my children and wife Id be pretty interested in seeing their demise as well. "

No, he's already stated many times and still maintains that he will pay the tax IF THEY SHOW HIM THE LAW.  He hasn't threated anyone with the initiation of violence, he has only promised to use deadly force in self defense and in the protection of his wife's life and his legitimately earned and owned private property.

"We all know the Federal Govt oversteps their bounds quite often especially with Clinton in office, but the fact remains he is a convicted Felon. What gives him the right to not serve his time when others convicted of Felonies serve their time. He should've prepared better for his court battle(no lawyer option was insane). I support his cause but dont support him killing anyone in the process. What good will that do for those who want to remain free?"

Because he hasn't disobeyed any LAW that anyone knows about.  What LAW did he break?  If you can't PROVE that he broke a specific law - and we need to know what law that is and what it says - then he's not really a felon.  Lawyers are only in it for their own gain.  They paid for the time they work - not for who wins or loses.  They need to perpetuate the lie for their own benefit and will sell you to the thugs by screwing you over in a heartbeat.  Is Ed "insane?" Well, he's got his own take on things, but so do a lot of other people.  He just chose not to fight by their rules - as recommended by many students of war throughout history - Hell, he chose to not even show up for the gangfight where he'd be outnumbered and outgunned anyway.

Ed's doing what Ed wants to do.  Everybody else just needs to decide for themselves what is right for them, and when.  And a lot of us are still in the middle of working out exactly what that is, and sometimes thinking out loud or bouncing thoughts off each other.  Just give people some space.

[CNHT]

Ed's doing what Ed wants to do.  Everybody else just needs to decide for themselves what is right for them, and when.  And a lot of us are still in the middle of working out exactly what that is, and sometimes thinking out loud or bouncing thoughts off each other.  Just give people some space.

That's right. I don't see myself getting involved as we've known this was in the making for years.

I don't see anything I could do that would help. And I just hope no one I care about gets hurt.

[CNHT]

In a response to recent communications from the U.S. Marshal, Ed Brown has posted a letter on the internet saying that he has "never threatened anyone in (his) life" but warning that if the marshals take action against him, he will "use equal or greater force as the law dictates." 

That's true. The Browns are not violent people at all. And have been model citizens as far as I know.
But it sounds like he is saying he will 'defend' himself if he is attacked. I guess if he was going to get himself into this situation he did not do it for nothing.

[LordBaltimore]

The Browns are not violent people at all. And have been model citizens as far as I know.

You mean other than the time Ed spent in prison for beating a guy with a pipe while robbing him? It resulted in a dishonorable discharge from the military and was only removed from his record when the Massachusetts governor granted him a pardon.

Ed's been threatening people with violence for decades. Just read the NH newstories about him from the mid 1990s, or the press stories from a couple of years ago when he refused to pay property taxes and said he'd do physical harm if anyone tried to collect them.  He threatened a stand off then, and then paid the taxes at the last minute to avoid the situation.

Seriously, you have to choose your battles in life.  Aligning yourself, your movement, and a candidate like Ron Paul with a guy who thinks he's got an inside line to the Queen of England and who has a hit list for his followers to kill in the event of his arrest or death, is just stupid.

[YixilTesiphon]

Seriously, you have to choose your battles in life.  Aligning yourself, your movement, and a candidate like Ron Paul with a guy who thinks he's got an inside line to the Queen of England and who has a hit list for his followers to kill in the event of his arrest or death, is just stupid.

Yep. As I've said, I'd rather have the Browns win than the Feds, but I sure as hell am not going to go there to help out some crazy people, and it is blindingly retarded to suggest Ron Paul should get involved.

[CNHT]

The Browns are not violent people at all. And have been model citizens as far as I know.

You mean other than the time Ed spent in prison for beating a guy with a pipe while robbing him? It resulted in a dishonorable discharge from the military and was only removed from his record when the Massachusetts governor granted him a pardon.

Ed's been threatening people with violence for decades. Just read the NH newstories about him from the mid 1990s, or the press stories from a couple of years ago when he refused to pay property taxes and said he'd do physical harm if anyone tried to collect them.  He threatened a stand off then, and then paid the taxes at the last minute to avoid the situation.

Seriously, you have to choose your battles in life.  Aligning yourself, your movement, and a candidate like Ron Paul with a guy who thinks he's got an inside line to the Queen of England and who has a hit list for his followers to kill in the event of his arrest or death, is just stupid.

How old was he when he did that? I never heard of that before. I just know that he's lived there and refused to pay his taxes for at least a good 20 years.
His wife is a dentist for crying out loud.

We all wish the IRS would just go away and leave us ALL alone, but, Yix is right...the campaign should not have to waste time on people who want to draw the candidate into their 'cause' It's just selfish and bad for the rest of us who are donating all our time and energy.

[Caleb]

Ed Brown is going to do what he wants to do. I still haven't seen anything where he is calling for militia activism or the death of anyone's family. He *did* predict that bad things might happen, but I don't interpret that as a threat so much as it is an acknowledgment of reality.  I might say the same thing:  If Ed and Elaine are killed, it is possible that some of their supporters might do very evil things. I don't agree with that, I'm certainly not calling for that, and if it happens I will denounce it with all my might. But I'm not stupid enough to pretend that there aren't violent people around. That's a fact of life, unfortunately.  That's what we're working to try to fix.

I don't agree with Ed on some things. I would have done things differently myself. But we need to get some perspective. Ed Brown hasn't harmed anyone. The federal government *has* harmed people. By the hundreds of millions. Once that perspective is gained, it puts a new light on things. What's going on in Plainfield is, quite frankly, a case of a big gigantic bully, a domestic terrorist organization, picking on an elderly man and woman because the terrorist organization didn't get its "cut" of the elderly couple's earnings.

For the life of me, I don't have a clue what Ron Paul has to do with any of this. Hopefully, on the outside chance that Paul is elected President, he will use his powers to pardon the Browns and any and all tax resisters. That is, if the Browns haven't been murdered by the domestic terrorists yet.

[Henry]

Ed Brown is going to do what he wants to do. I still haven't seen anything where he is calling for militia activism or the death of anyone's family. He *did* predict that bad things might happen, but I don't interpret that as a threat so much as it is an acknowledgment of reality.  I might say the same thing:  If Ed and Elaine are killed, it is possible that some of their supporters might do very evil things. I don't agree with that, I'm certainly not calling for that, and if it happens I will denounce it with all my might. But I'm not stupid enough to pretend that there aren't violent people around. That's a fact of life, unfortunately.  That's what we're working to try to fix.

I don't agree with Ed on some things. I would have done things differently myself. But we need to get some perspective. Ed Brown hasn't harmed anyone. The federal government *has* harmed people. By the hundreds of millions. Once that perspective is gained, it puts a new light on things. What's going on in Plainfield is, quite frankly, a case of a big gigantic bully, a domestic terrorist organization, picking on an elderly man and woman because the terrorist organization didn't get its "cut" of the elderly couple's earnings.

For the life of me, I don't have a clue what Ron Paul has to do with any of this. Hopefully, on the outside chance that Paul is elected President, he will use his powers to pardon the Browns and any and all tax resisters. That is, if the Browns haven't been murdered by the domestic terrorists yet.

Yes. And also yeah, Ron Paul doesn't have or need to have anything to do with the Browns. Both are fighting the IRS from very different angles and using different tools.

[Dave Ridley]

CNHT wrote:

<< I don't see anything I could do that would help. >>

Here's a list of roughly 25 things you could do to help.  I"ve done about 15 of them.

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=2613.msg140635#msg140635

[CNHT]

Well if you mean these 6 things:

1) Go to calendar.nhfree.com and see what types of flash events have been scheduled to occur in response to the raid. Attend them or promote them if you can.

What is a 'flash' event?

2) Head to your nearest Federal facility with a sign of some type.

I don't believe that will do a darn thing to help the Browns, sorry Dave. (But it would sure make me look like a nut)

3) Write a letter to the editor of a nearby paper expressing your concern. In New Hampshire The Concord Monitor, Keene Free Press and the Union Leader seem to print most of the pro liberty letters they receive, and you can be from anywhere in the state. The Keene Sentinel seems to be pretty good about printing our letters if written from the Keene area. Keep them under 200 words in all cases if possible, especially with the Union Leader.

I think it's a given that most people think they should be left alone, which is why they are being left alone. The gov't if it attacks, won't survive the court of public opinion.

4) Join some political web forums and voice there your support for Ed and Elaine. I've included a list of good forums below. Better to join now and be ready than to join after the event.

That will surely brand you permanently as a nutcase. Repeat, we all think they should be left alone. But they have been doing this for YEARS. As a newcomer I know you don't understand how this works, but there are just some things we don't think we should waste our time on. The fact they are being paid any attention to now during an election cycle is suspect and your further attention to them just helps the opposition to smear us.

5) Call relevant officials to express your concern. I've included a list below.

Then we can alert all of them who we are? No thanks.

6) Maybe go to Ed Brown's house? Haven't really given this much thought. Certainly I hope more folks will go there beforehand as a deterrent. His address: 401 Center of Town Road Plainfield, New Hampshire 03781

This is not going to deter anything. They chose to break the law and they shouldn't expect innocent people to get hurt on their behalf.
Just my advice. Everyone will do what they wish. But I think frankly you could be pointing your energies in a more productive direction.

[JohninRI]

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_00000862----000-.html

§ 862. Income from sources without the United States

(a) Gross income from sources without United States
The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources without the United States:
(1) interest other than that derived from sources within the United States as provided in section 861 (a)(1);
(2) dividends other than those derived from sources within the United States as provided in section 861 (a)(2);
(3) compensation for labor or personal services performed without the United States;
(4) rentals or royalties from property located without the United States or from any interest in such property, including rentals or royalties for the use of or for the privilege of using without the United States patents, copyrights, secret processes and formulas, good will, trade-marks, trade brands, franchises, and other like properties;
(5) gains, profits, and income from the sale or exchange of real property located without the United States;
(6) gains, profits, and income derived from the purchase of inventory property (within the meaning of section 865 (i)(1)) within the United States and its sale or exchange without the United States;
(7) underwriting income other than that derived from sources within the United States as provided in section 861 (a)(7); and
( gains, profits, and income from the disposition of a United States real property interest (as defined in section 897 (c)) when the real property is located in the Virgin Islands.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_00000865----000-.html

§ 865. Source rules for personal property sales

(a) General rule
Except as otherwise provided in this section, income from the sale of personal property—
(1) by a United States resident shall be sourced in the United States, or
(2) by a nonresident shall be sourced outside the United States.


(g)  United States resident; nonresident
For purposes of this section—
(1) In general
Except as otherwise provided in this subsection—
(A) United States resident
The term "United States resident" means—
(i) any individual who—
(I) is a United States citizen or a resident alien and does not have a tax home (as defined in section 911 (d)(3)) in a foreign country, or
(II) is a nonresident alien and has a tax home (as so defined) in the United States, and
(ii) any corporation, trust, or estate which is a United States person (as defined in section 7701 (a)(30)).
(B) Nonresident
The term "nonresident" means any person other than a United States resident.[/b]


Maybe the law does exist and it's just that they can't show it to us because their house of cards will all fall down.

Is it possible the Browns just didn't do their homework?

John

[Crocuta]

Is it possible the Browns just didn't do their homework?

Nope, it's just that the judges won't allow the law to be read in their courtrooms.

Seriously.

[JohninRI]

If you have the right status you won't end up in their courtroom!