There is hope.

[rawiron1]

At my gunshop job about half our staff is cops and military moonlighting.  Us older guys (30+) witness to these guys regulary about The Constitution, rights, etc.  Some of them are well aware that our rights are being eaten away.  Others have been informed by us.  And others we are working on.  So there is hope that not all cops or G.I. Joes will just mow citizens down no questions asked.  It is the foreigners that we are recruiting for our military that have me worried.

Jason

[Lex]

At my gunshop job about half our staff is cops and military moonlighting.  Us older guys (30+) witness to these guys regulary about The Constitution, rights, etc.  Some of them are well aware that our rights are being eaten away.  Others have been informed by us.  And others we are working on.  So there is hope that not all cops or G.I. Joes will just mow citizens down no questions asked.  It is the foreigners that we are recruiting for our military that have me worried.

I don't think there is any doubt that there are Feds on the freedom side of things. It's just that tha few really really evil ones ruin it for the rest of them.

I think there are several levels of fed guys:

1. Super Evil. Plotting, very intelligent, criminal.
2. Just evil. Bullied in school and is taking it out on society kind of person.
3. Do-good-er. Think they are making the world a better place by increasing government, etc.
4. Apathetic. Thinks government is generally good, likes the pay and benefits. Wouldn't give it up for a real job.
5. Pragmatists. The government isn't going away, the job isn't bad and maybe i can make things better. Some had started working before they learned about the evils of government and find their time is better spent working within the system rather than changing careers.
6. Mole. Intentionally gets hired to work from within. See Claire Wolf.

[KBCraig]

Jason, welcome to the Underground forum. You're not the only federal employee here. Thank you for being open and honest. I have always been open and honest about the fact that I work for the Federal Bureau of Prisons; I've also been very open about my wish that my job would cease to exist if we just followed the Constitution.

Roughly a third of my fellow employees share that sentiment. About another third are ambiguous, because "it's just a job". The last third are a curious blend: those right-wingers who want all druggies and illegal immigrants and terrorism suspects locked away, plus those lefties who treat government employment as some kind of entitlement program. Both groups want a big federal agency to serve their wishes.

I'm using this gig to get to NH. But I'd be the first to cheer if it was eliminated.

Kevin

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You forgot:

6a. Employees within the system whom the message of liberty reached.

[Lex]

You forgot:

6a. Employees within the system whom the message of liberty reached.

I think that's 5.