Man kills Franconia Police Officer, Passerby kills Man.

[Lloyd Danforth]

And today

[AntonLee]

I'm quite disturbed with this story, and disturbed about my mixed feelings on the whole thing.

If the kid was a scumbag, he has the right to be a scumbag.  If this is just some pothead kid, that happened to talk back and who knew his rights when pulled over by this same officer before, but this time the officer wanted to give him a little reminder of who was the cop. . . then I don't think this was wrong.

But where I"m torn is that I don't know if the cop was back towards the kid when he shot him.  I personally can't stand a guy who shoots you in the back. . .

If this kid was a real danger, a danger enough to pepperspray, why would the cop turn his back??  Is this to avoid getting any residual pepperspray himself.  Either way it still doesn't seem very smart.  If he's being peppersprayed then he must have done something illegal right?  Please don't mind my questions, I just have a lot of them.

The marine, the hero as he's called, shot someone who in my opinion, might have just been defending himself from a possible subsequent pepperspraying by using his weapon against an overbearing officer.  It seems like a movie scene waiting to happen, at least the television shows seemed to think so.

[error]

They're cops. This one, like so many others, happened to have a long history of being a bad cop.

[ny2nh]

OK - unloading a 7 round magazine into the back of a cop is far too much of a reaction to being pepper sprayed.....for whatever reason.

Floyd on the other hand, witnessed a person unload his gun into a cop and then to proceed to run over him twice. He told him that he would kill him if he didn't drop his weapon - Kenney didn't and he shot him. I think he was justified in doing so.

Are some cops just asses and create tension - yes....but that doesn't give you the right to shoot them.

[Lloyd Danforth]

OK - unloading a 7 round magazine into the back of a cop is far too much of a reaction to being pepper sprayed.....for whatever reason.

May have been exactly that.  A reaction to getting sprayed.  I can't get over the nonchalant way the cop walked away after spraying him.  "see how he likes that"
I think spraying him escalated the situation.

[dalebert]

Both sides did really stupid things that caused the situation to escalate. At one point in the video, the guy has pulled over for the cop and the cop is taking forever to actually get out of the car and tell the guy why. It seems the guy finally gets fed up and leaves. Not smart, of course. I'm sure the cop was doing those paperwork things like running plates and such though it did seems to take an unusually long time. Of course the shooting was ridiculous. Still, if someone is obviously resistant and potentially (and likely) hostile, you don't walk up, provoke them in a very vindictive way, and then turn and walk away in disgust. At the very least, it was wreckless, even if he was justified. Isn't it possible they were both very wrong in their actions? Floyd sounds like the most reasonable of the three.

Here's an interesting thought experiment to try though. Imagine the entire scene playing out where the cop isn't actually in an elitist position of authority over "normal" people. Imagine he's just another person without any special uniform or marked car who is expected to follow all the same rules of interaction with others as everyone else. He chases someone down in his car, backs him into a corner, and sprays painful chemicals in his face and walks away with an angry look on his face. Changes the whole scene, huh?

[AntonLee]

Both sides did really stupid things that caused the situation to escalate. At one point in the video, the guy has pulled over for the cop and the cop is taking forever to actually get out of the car and tell the guy why. It seems the guy finally gets fed up and leaves. Not smart, of course. I'm sure the cop was doing those paperwork things like running plates and such though it did seems to take an unusually long time. Of course the shooting was ridiculous. Still, if someone is obviously resistant and potentially (and likely) hostile, you don't walk up, provoke them in a very vindictive way, and then turn and walk away in disgust. At the very least, it was wreckless, even if he was justified. Isn't it possible they were both very wrong in their actions? Floyd sounds like the most reasonable of the three.

Here's an interesting thought experiment to try though. Imagine the entire scene playing out where the cop isn't actually in an elitist position of authority over "normal" people. Imagine he's just another person without any special uniform or marked car who is expected to follow all the same rules of interaction with others as everyone else. He chases someone down in his car, backs him into a corner, and sprays painful chemicals in his face and walks away with an angry look on his face. Changes the whole scene, huh?

I take that the elitist position we as a nation have given police to mean that they're especially trained in order to not lose their cool, to keep calm and keep the situation from escalating.  This cop seems to me that he has it in for this guy.  A fellow at work and I spoke about this, and we wonder if this "problem" between the kid and the cop isn't only being rekindled each time because the cop keeps pulling the kid over.  I mean, do you think the kid is going to the cop to pick a fight? 

The police bs gets me more fired up than any illegal alien topic lol

[mvpel]

A study of pepper spray uses found that in about a quarter (if I'm remembering correctly) of uses, the spray escalated the situation rather than subduing the individual.