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The Browns, Taxes, and Government Waste.

Started by George_Vreeland_Hill, June 26, 2007, 01:43 PM NHFT

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George_Vreeland_Hill

I posted this a few months ago, but since some numbers have changed, and the fact that Ron Paul and others have now sided with the Browns, I think it is important to post the following again, with up to date numbers.

The entire United States Government is guilty of the tax crimes they are blaming Ed and Elaine Brown for.
When I think about it, why should the Browns or anyone for that matter pay income tax, or any taxes at all?
After all, much of the tax money we are made to give the government winds up being wasted and/or used improperly.
For example, the FBI wasted over $170 million dollars on a computer overhaul project (started in 2001) that was supposed to give them an instant and paperless way to manage criminal and terrorism cases.
That project was called Virtual Case File, and it was so inadequate and outdated that a new computer system project had to be started from scratch at a much higher cost to taxpayers.
The new system named Sentinel, even had problems.
In 2005, Randolph Hite, director of IT architecture and systems issues at the Government Accountability Office, wrote in a letter that the FBI should proceed with Sentinel, and cautioned that problems likely will surface because of a lack of an enterprise architecture plan.
The Sentinel project's cost is $425 million dollars and will not be running at full capacity until late 2009.   
This is your tax money.
Here is an eye-opener:
The cost of the war in Iraq has cost the taxpayers more than $420 billion dollars.
That means with that same money, you could provide total health care and insurance for more than 250 million children a year.
Or, you could hire more than 7,000,000 schoolteachers for a year.
Or, you could provide more than 20 million full four-year college scholarships.
When Bush started this war on the people of Iraq, their country had nothing to do with terrorists. 
The many terrorists around the world were not welcome in Iraq. 
Saddam did not even like or trust bin Laden.
Yet, Bush said this is a war on terror.
Iraq is now a haven for terrorists.
This is your tax money.
In 2003, the Department of the Treasury's 2003 Financial Report of the United States Government has a short section titled "Unreconciled Transactions Affecting the Change in Net Position." 
The unreconciled transactions are funds for which auditors cannot account.
Those funds totaled $25 billion dollars.
The government knows that $25 billion was spent by someone, somewhere, on something, but auditors do not know who spent it, where it was spent, or on what it was spent.
That missing money is your tax money.
Also ....
Between 1997 and 2003, the Defense Department purchased and then left unused approximately 270,000 commercial airline tickets at a total cost of $100 million.
The Defense Department once uncovered its own credit card scandal.
Over an 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel once used govern­ment-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
The CIA has leak scandals that costs tax money.
Congress wastes money.
This branch of government wastes money, and that branch of government wastes money.
Every branch of government is wasting your tax money.
Your tax money is being wasted so badly, that even many towns and cities across the country will use up their construction and other supplies at the end of every year even if they have a lot left over so they can say they need more money for the next year because they don't want to "run out" again.
More money means your tax money.
If I wrote about all the tax money that is being wasted, I would never leave my computer.
So why should the Browns or anyone else pay taxes?
The money that the government takes for taxes is being wasted.
That is the real crime.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Morse wants Ed and Elaine Brown to go to jail, but it is Morse who should go to jail for defending the government.
Thank you for reading this.
I am,
George Vreeland Hill 


     
 

mvpel

QuoteWhen Bush started this war on the people of Iraq, their country had nothing to do with terrorists.

Bullshit.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1199662004
QuoteSADDAM Hussein's links to terrorism have been proven by documents showing he helped to fund the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

The PFLP, whose history of terrorism dates back to the "black September" hijackings of 1970, was personally vetted by Saddam to receive oil vouchers worth £40 million.

The deal has been uncovered by US investigators, trawling millions of pages of documents showing a network of diplomats bribed by Saddam's regimes, and political parties who qualified for backhanded payments from Baghdad.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which is still working its way through 20,000 boxes of documents from Saddam's Baath party discovered only recently, found a list of pressure groups bankrolled by Saddam.

Using the United Nations' own oil-for-food scheme - ironically intended as a sanction to control the behaviour of his dictatorship - Saddam gave Awad Ammora & Partners, a Syrian company, two million barrels of oil.

Documents handed over to US authorities by a former Iraqi oil minister only four months ago show that this was a front for the PFLP - which was then embarked on a spate of car bombings aimed at Israeli officials.

The Iraqi records show only one six-month period - suggesting the payments could go on for much longer. While some allocations to the likes of Russian political parties were not cashed in, the PFLP oil deal was carried out in full.

Since its inception after the Six-Day War of 1967, the PFLP has been dedicated to violence - and for this reason split from the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) when it accepted the peace process.

CNHT

Quote from: George_Vreeland_Hill on June 26, 2007, 01:43 PM NHFT
I posted this a few months ago, but since some numbers have changed, and the fact that Ron Paul and others have now sided with the Browns,


Oh George where to begin with your false information and disingenuous bullshit?
The Iraq policy was signed into law in 1998 by BILL CLINTON but I'm not here to argue that.

First, Ron is not a supporter of the Browns. The AP in their false story, drew lines they should not have and you swallowed it.

Secondly, he will go on Cavuto's show to day at 4:30 ET to talk about this.

There is also a good piece on this at the www.dailypaul.com

Now back to your disingenuous bullshit about taxes, how can you claim to be against taxes, when you are a SUPPORTER OF HILLARY CLINTON's and are working toward her election? You are also a supporter of PAUL HODES? Do you even know what these people stand for? I don't think so, I think you are rather confused.


See: http://vreeland.gather.com/

EthanAllen

George,

I believe you are making a moral case for the reasons why one should become a tax protester. The Browns are tax deniers not tax protestors. They don't believe there is a tax law that subjects them to paying income tax. There is a distinct difference.

mvpel

They have even said that if they were showed the law existed and applied to them, they would pay.

EthanAllen

Quote from: mvpel on June 26, 2007, 08:04 PM NHFT
They have even said that if they were showed the law existed and applied to them, they would pay.

They pay their local property taxes.

George_Vreeland_Hill


I NEVER SAID I WAS AGAINST PAYING TAXES!
We need to pay taxes.
I wrote this article to point out the waste in government, and my opinion that the Browns and the rest of us should not have to pay any taxes if this is what the government does with our money.
I wanted to make a point.
I guess some of you did not get it.
That is too bad.
I do have very strong opinions, and want to make our country a better place to live.
Right now, things are wrong.   

error

We need to submit to our masters.
All they want is 50% of everything we labor for.
It could be much worse.

CNHT

Quote from: George_Vreeland_Hill on June 26, 2007, 09:46 PM NHFT
I NEVER SAID I WAS AGAINST PAYING TAXES!

And why not? I am.

Quote from: George_Vreeland_Hill on June 26, 2007, 09:46 PM NHFT
We need to pay taxes.
I wrote this article to point out the waste in government, and my opinion that the Browns and the rest of us should not have to pay any taxes if this is what the government does with our money.

No kidding! Isn't that why everyone is angry about taxes?

What I want to know is why did you choose Hillary as your candidate, a person who has been quoted as saying she would take things away from you ($) for the 'common good'?

It doesn't square with your ideals since she would take and waste even more...I mean isn't the word Democrat synonymous for big gov't and higher taxes?

Dreepa

Quote from: CNHT on June 27, 2007, 12:26 AM NHFT
I mean isn't the word Democrat and Republican synonymous for big gov't and higher taxes?

Fixed it ;D  Nationally they both like to spend money. 

Lloyd Danforth


dalebert

Quote from: George_Vreeland_Hill on June 26, 2007, 09:46 PM NHFT
I NEVER SAID I WAS AGAINST PAYING TAXES!
We need to pay taxes.

Exactly! You know, I was confused about how taxes are not stealing. I asked my roommate and he cleared that confusion up for me. He says it's not stealing because you get something for it.

It's like a guy comes up to you and hands you a bag of KFC and says "That'll be $425.75, please." Then you say "But I'm not hungry right now and I don't like KFC and it's really really unhealthy." So he pulls out a gun and says "Give me $425.75 or I'll shoot you." If you give him the money, it's like you're accepting his verbal contract for the chicken so once again, not stealing. He's giving you something in EXCHANGE for the money. He's not just taking it. And after all, YOU handed him the money.

You people keep citing all these moralistic justifications for why taxes are wrong but I think you're just greedy.
;)

lowen

Quote from: dalebert on June 27, 2007, 08:17 AM NHFT
Quote from: George_Vreeland_Hill on June 26, 2007, 09:46 PM NHFT
I NEVER SAID I WAS AGAINST PAYING TAXES!
We need to pay taxes.

Exactly! You know, I was confused about how taxes are not stealing. I asked my roommate and he cleared that confusion up for me. He says it's not stealing because you get something for it.

It's like a guy comes up to you and hands you a bag of KFC and says "That'll be $425.75, please." Then you say "But I'm not hungry right now and I don't like KFC and it's really really unhealthy." So he pulls out a gun and says "Give me $425.75 or I'll shoot you." If you give him the money, it's like you're accepting his verbal contract for the chicken so once again, not stealing. He's giving you something in EXCHANGE for the money. He's not just taking it. And after all, YOU handed him the money.

You people keep citing all these moralistic justifications for why taxes are wrong but I think you're just greedy.
;)


Hahaha. You forgot to mention that by giving the KFC man your money he's giving you the service of not killing you!  How thoughtfull.  And you people complain that the government is unfair.  ::)

error

And you get $6.00 worth of chicken for your $425.75!

Dreepa

Also I think it is unfair that Dalebert has all the chicken.... he should share it with others... that would be 'more fair'. >:D