FIJA disobedience at courthouse? (fully informed jury)

[supperman15]

you are providing a service

... that some people are volunteering to do without cash compensation.
Indeed, the argument could be made that monetary compensation for this "service" inherently weakens the intended message. If you can be painted by the media as "just doing it for money", your ability to win the hearts and minds of bystanders is greatly diminished.

so the cato istitute is also just doing it for the money and so is the ACLU.  I dont think this is anything new, there are a ton of full time activists that advocate for people who for whatever reason can be on the streets.  I dont think i would neccisarily get painted by the media as just for the money, Peta and many other spechal interest groups get paid for there work.  Ian and mark from FTL take tons of pride in there work and the message that it spreads yet they also get compensated...  I dont think getting paid to advocate this message and activate others on it cheepens it at all, i think anyone who can make this there soul work is very, very lucky.

[armlaw]

State Reps make $100/year (before taxes) and a select few of them are damn fine rebellious pro-Constitution, anti-Statist fighters.
They need all the help they can get, against the abject Statists that have taken over Concord since November '06.
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I have refused to accept the commercial paper that was sent after my election. We are NOT employees. The U.S. supreme court fixed that in the 1991 case of Gregory v. Ashcroft. We are elected representative of the people and no clerical functionary of the corporate government has the authority to amend Article 15, Part II of our constitution that says we a compensated $200.00 for the 2 years term. My demands have been, I want the $200.00 in the same specie that the constitution provides, ie: one troy ounce of silver .9999 fine equals one dollar as established by congress and never repealed.  Then when they started taking Income Tax, Social Security, and Medicare out of my mileage reimbursements, I filed a claim against treasurer Georgie Thomas' Bond. The Attorners governing the Board of Claims, refuse to hear my case as they know I have the evidence and they wont let the Bonding company review my claim. I have petitioned three governors, Shaheen, Benson and Lynch and the attorners keep a lid on it. Here is where my 3 terms of compensation and mileage reimbursement is now languishing.
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[EthanAllen]

I have petitioned three governors, Shaheen, Benson and Lynch

Why have you petitioned for a redress of grievances and not engaged in non-violent, civil disobedience to draw attention to the matter and willingly suffered the consequences of your action which will bring shame upon your captors?

[Dreepa]

I have petitioned three governors, Shaheen, Benson and Lynch

Why have you petitioned for a redress of grievances and not engaged in non-violent, civil disobedience to draw attention to the matter and willingly suffered the consequences of your action which will bring shame upon your captors?

Maybe he doesn't want to.
Maybe it is not 'his thing'

[d_goddard]

I have petitioned three governors, Shaheen, Benson and Lynch

Why have you petitioned for a redress of grievances and not engaged in non-violent, civil disobedience to draw attention to the matter and willingly suffered the consequences of your action which will bring shame upon your captors?

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You must admit, Dick... your current plan is not working.
How about Plan B?

[armlaw]

You must admit, Dick... your current plan is not working.
How about Plan B?

[/quote]

When I won the primary last September, as an incumbent I had authority to introduce proposed legislation. I did so, with language crafted to address the fraud, as not only are reps Part II, Article 15 compensation exempt from taxation, but all elected by the people are exempt! That means all Selectmen in the 235 Towns, and all elected Town officers, the Same with the Counties, All County Commissioners, County Attorneys, Sheriffs and pursuant to Gregory v. Ashcroft, all Deputies as they are appointed by the Sheriffs. Then 24 Seantors, and 400 State Reps and the Secretary of State and Treasurer, as they are elected by the legislature.  I wanted to determine the amount, probably running into the $100,00.00, that was unlawfully being deducted from the compensation of all elected officials in this Republic. This is cash that would have been disposed of in this Republic and accordingly the economy of this Republic has been diminished by unlawful deductions. If some officials want to enter into a contract with the bankrupt municipal corporation for whatever benefit they may perceive, then they may do so, but not me. Well, you know what happened. I won the General Election and would have persued the proposed legislation, however during the last hour of the final day for recounts, the Monday after the election on the previous Tuesday, my 9 vote, machine count, single district win was challenged and in the final recount of that election, 51 uncounted ballots mysteriously appeared and I lost by 3 votes. Yes the SOS did make an investigation but no evidence could be uncovered, So, my Plan B went down the tubes and I am open to suggestions as to how this hemorrhage of cash unlawfully leaving our economy can get a tourniquet applied?

[error]

Plan C?

[armlaw]

Plan C?

Start the FAN.. I repeat...I am open to suggestions as to how this hemorrhage of cash unlawfully leaving our economy can get a tourniquet applied?

[error]

Several of us have just stopped giving them money.

[J’raxis 270145]

there seems to be a recurring misperception here that the goal is to NOT get arrested....

Trying to publicize the message in question, for as long a time as possible, before getting arrested, ought to be the goal... or at least a big part of it...

[J’raxis 270145]

supperman wrote:
<<This is why i want my job to be civil disobediance.  I could get a few buisness people, that have families or simply couldnt aford to be arested and do the civil disobediance they want to do. Im at a place in my life that it wouldnt be a big thing, but not everyone here is.  However once one has a job, 30 days in jail can be a big loss....  Now if poeple would pay me (cover rent and expenses and such) then it wouldnt matter when and for how long i was in jail...  I could just do great civil disobediance.>>

this is intriguin, but gandhi said once your motives become suspect it contaminates your message.  profit motive would equal suspect motive, or it might, when doing civil dis.   

i could be wrong to have qualms about this, and so could gandhi

I think you're right: I can just picture such people being called "civdis-for-hire" or "rent-a-civdis" or something. Paid LTEs, paid blogging, paid grassroots campaigns (astroturfing), and so on, have almost no credibility with most people, so neither would this.

However, this only applies if the situation were something like "we pay you, now you go stand over here and hold up this sign." If it were more along the lines of "you got arrested, and now we'll all get together and cover your costs," it'd be a lot harder for opponents to discredit you by saying you did it for a profit motive—it would be like a civil disobedience legal defense fund.

[armlaw]

Why have you petitioned for a redress of grievances and not engaged in non-violent, civil disobedience [/quote]

They were not petitions for a "redress of grievances", they were common law affidavits of truth, which are all that is needed for a prima facie case. As such, all are on file with the SOS and the last to be filed was with the County Recorder. It received a volume number and page number as well as document number. This affidavit is now "lawful" evidence and can not be overcome as a fiction or presumption at law. Of course, ever since the removal of lawful gold and silver coin as money, the courts have become commercial tribunals, enforcing the terms of commercial contracts. Justice has been eclipsed by equity and the sheeple are totally unaware that they are unaware

[supperman15]

supperman wrote:
<<This is why i want my job to be civil disobediance.  I could get a few buisness people, that have families or simply couldnt aford to be arested and do the civil disobediance they want to do. Im at a place in my life that it wouldnt be a big thing, but not everyone here is.  However once one has a job, 30 days in jail can be a big loss....  Now if poeple would pay me (cover rent and expenses and such) then it wouldnt matter when and for how long i was in jail...  I could just do great civil disobediance.>>

this is intriguin, but gandhi said once your motives become suspect it contaminates your message.  profit motive would equal suspect motive, or it might, when doing civil dis.   

i could be wrong to have qualms about this, and so could gandhi

I think you're right: I can just picture such people being called "civdis-for-hire" or "rent-a-civdis" or something. Paid LTEs, paid blogging, paid grassroots campaigns (astroturfing), and so on, have almost no credibility with most people, so neither would this.

However, this only applies if the situation were something like "we pay you, now you go stand over here and hold up this sign." If it were more along the lines of "you got arrested, and now we'll all get together and cover your costs," it'd be a lot harder for opponents to discredit you by saying you did it for a profit motive—it would be like a civil disobedience legal defense fund.

I think that also depends on how much time you spend recruting funders, and how much time you spend doing civil diss.

[armlaw]

Several of us have just stopped giving them money.
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