Where you @?

[JohninRI]

I don't want to see an "FSP Party." The FSP has no business taking particular political positions, running candidates, etc. It's a to get you off your lazy ass and here to New Hampshire, where you will participate in all the OTHER activity already in progress toward making this a freer state.

When our Country first started there were Federalists and there were Anti-federalists.  The Federalists wanted a strong national government and the Anti-federalists wanted a weak government and a strong State Government; so the Anti-Feds didn't go to Washington and they left the entire running of the government to the Feds.  Then they used everything that Jefferson and others predicted would happen as a blueprint to guarantee what happened to our Country would happen.

I've been fighting in RI for a long time and every time we bring up a constitutional "loophole" in the law it's guaranteed that the next session of our General Assembly would correct that "loophole".  The way to stop that behavior is to prevent it.

[error]

If you want to downsize the federal government, you'll find people here working on that as well. I'm one of them.

[JohninRI]

Error, you missed my point.  What I was attempting to demonstrate is that it is dangerous to leave the running of any government - federal, state and local - entirely to those that don't have your interests and the interests of those like yours in the hands of those that like things exactly as they are.  These people are not going to give up their power to feed and procreate on their constituents.  They will enact new laws to counteract whatever it is that has an adverse effect on their gravy train unless you and those with your position are there to ensure against it.  Example - Teachers.  Teachers are always well represented in any legislature in this country and this fact has always ensured that their agenda thrives.

If Free Staters don't make a concerted effort to take a good powerful hold on the laws proposed and enacted, then they are at the mercy of people who probably don't have the same interests as you and me.

John in RI

[error]

Error, you missed my point.

No, I didn't.

If Free Staters don't make a concerted effort to take a good powerful hold on the laws proposed and enacted, then they are at the mercy of people who probably don't have the same interests as you and me.

It's a good thing, then, that Free Staters have already been doing all of this and more!

[JohninRI]

Error, you missed my point.

No, I didn't.

If Free Staters don't make a concerted effort to take a good powerful hold on the laws proposed and enacted, then they are at the mercy of people who probably don't have the same interests as you and me.

It's a good thing, then, that Free Staters have already been doing all of this and more!

Then I apologize for my pretense, but I'm just afraid that the FSP may have them off balance at present, but that this will not last forever.  Watching what they do is not the same as being part of what they do.

I don't know about NH, but in RI they control elections and who gets elected; and they do that to prevent what I am advocating here....  And they do that for a reason.

[error]

And what's stopped you from moving?

[AntonLee]

I am in Peterborough. Not a hotbed for radical libertarian activism. More like the hotbed for leftists, socialists, and hippies...oh my (they have "mandatory" recycling here. Makes me wonder what kind of force these progressive-pacifists would use to enforce the rule?).
I did see some rainbow-like people protesting the war in the central part of town the other day though.

I've also noticed that a lot more people here have gone out of their way to find license plate frames that cover up the "live free or die" slogan.
My daughter is quite happy wearing her Ron Paul rEVOLution shirt around town. She likes to stir the communitarian pot.

Some people are offended by "live free or die". . . guess it's time to change the motto!  Think of something that doesn't offend anyone. . . . because I can't.  I make shirts for a living, and on all the transfers we do, for every bigname superstore in NH, none of them say "live free or die". . . . not even our bike week shirts say it, we have "live to ride ride to live"  or "living free in NH" 

[error]

I had to go to PorcFest to find a T-shirt that says "Live Free or Die" on it.

[Dreepa]

I had to go to PorcFest to find a T-shirt that says "Live Free or Die" on it.

Now Available at Dreepa Farm!

Anton.... we need to meet someday.
Somehow I got stuck being the tshirt guy...

[Lloyd Danforth]

Error, you missed my point.

No, I didn't.

If Free Staters don't make a concerted effort to take a good powerful hold on the laws proposed and enacted, then they are at the mercy of people who probably don't have the same interests as you and me.

It's a good thing, then, that Free Staters have already been doing all of this and more!

Then I apologize for my pretense, but I'm just afraid that the FSP may have them off balance at present, but that this will not last forever.  Watching what they do is not the same as being part of what they do.

I don't know about NH, but in RI they control elections and who gets elected; and they do that to prevent what I am advocating here....  And they do that for a reason.

FSP just encourages people to move to NH.  Freestaters who have moved and some really great people who met them when they arrived are putting them off balance.

Its harder in NH, particularly at the state level, to control elections, except the two major parties maintaining their monopoly.

[dEadERest]

I had to go to PorcFest to find a T-shirt that says "Live Free or Die" on it.

There was a T-shirt store in the Mall of NH, they had a great selection of shirts with the state motto . . AND THEN THEY CLOSED!
None of the people there seemed to know if they relo'd or shut down. They had one with a moose on a H-D with Live Free or Die!

[error]

I had to go to PorcFest to find a T-shirt that says "Live Free or Die" on it.

There was a T-shirt store in the Mall of NH, they had a great selection of shirts with the state motto . . AND THEN THEY CLOSED!
None of the people there seemed to know if they relo'd or shut down. They had one with a moose on a H-D with Live Free or Die!

I saw that place, once. As far as I can recall, they were closing down.

[commieczar]

Live for Free then Die!

[shyfrog]

I had to go to PorcFest to find a T-shirt that says "Live Free or Die" on it.

Now Available at Dreepa Farm!

Anton.... we need to meet someday.
Somehow I got stuck being the tshirt guy...

So...where is Dreepa Farm?
Is there a URL? A storefront?
A "hey buddy, here's $15 for a shirt. hand it over"?

[toowm]

From Wikipedia:

Dreepa Farm is a somewhat secretive organization that is most often found at liberty events. Recent sitings include a table at the NHLA Liberty Dinner and a vendor table at PorcFest. Ron Paul t-shirts seem to be a major source of funds for Dreepa Farm, although they did not appear to be for sale at the dinner, and child labor at PorcFest is being investigated. A spokesman for Dreepa Farm (although not of Indian descent) noted "Hey, he's 5'9" -- how was I supposed to know he was only 12!"

OK, so it's not from Wikipedia. Just PM Dreepa for the sordid details.