"Zeitgeist"--the Movie

[Insurgent]

There's a brand new video out that I just ran across, called "Zeitgeist". It's one of the most startling, eye-opening and thought-provoking videos that I have ever seen. Unlike many online videos that I start to watch, I couldn't stop watching until the very end.

It's documentary style and explores the question: What are the connections between Christianity, terrorism, the Federal Reserve, wars, income taxes, governments and positions of power in general?

I haven't taken the time yet to go through it with a fine-toothed comb, but if even only 10% of what it says is true, it shows that almost everything we have been taught is a lie. No one will be unaffected by it, I guarantee!

Set aside two hours and watch it--it's well worth it. I'd like to generate some discussion here, amongst those who choose to do so 

Website for the movie, and link to watch it http://zeitgeistmovie.com/index.html

[burnthebeautiful]

I'm watching the beginning now. Certainly some very interesting stuff. The stuff he's saying about where stars are on specific dates has me thinking, though. Aren't the locations of the stars different now than they were 2,000 years ago, and therefore things that happen on certain dates now, happened on different dates 2,000 years ago?

*edit - Finished watching the movie. I don't consider myself a conspiracy guy at all, I tend to agree with Ian from FTL in that it's irrelevant. I was really chilled by this movie though. It's horrifying

[Insurgent]

I'm watching the beginning now. Certainly some very interesting stuff. The stuff he's saying about where stars are on specific dates has me thinking, though. Aren't the locations of the stars different now than they were 2,000 years ago, and therefore things that happen on certain dates now, happened on different dates 2,000 years ago?

*edit - Finished watching the movie. I don't consider myself a conspiracy guy at all, I tend to agree with Ian from FTL in that it's irrelevant. I was really chilled by this movie though. It's horrifying

I concur--it is horrifying and chilling. Remind you that I said you wouldn't be unaffected by it! Sit on it for a day or two and digest it, maybe watch it again as I did, then report back what you have taken away with it and what affected you. I'll work on a write-up, as well.

[dalebert]

There's another thread about it around here somewhere or maybe on FTL. I got caught up in it myself. It's the first time I ever even paid any attention to some of the doubts presented about 9/11. Somehow this film managed to hold my attention when in the past I just scoff it off. What it has to say about historical facts and the Fed make you want to go slap your high school history teacher across the face.

[Insurgent]

There's another thread about it around here somewhere or maybe on FTL. I got caught up in it myself. It's the first time I ever even paid any attention to some of the doubts presented about 9/11. Somehow this film managed to hold my attention when in the past I just scoff it off. What it has to say about historical facts and the Fed make you want to go slap your high school history teacher across the face.

I understand the spell that it held on you--I experienced the same reaction. The historical facts that it brings up will not only want to make you slap your  high school history teacher across the face, but many other people as well!

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I stopped the movie at the five minute mark because it completely failed by that point to present anything remotely resembling content.

[Insurgent]

I stopped the movie at the five minute mark because it completely failed by that point to present anything remotely resembling content.

The intro ends and content starts at the five-minute mark

[jaqeboy]

I agree - a stunning movie!

[lowen]

I'm watching the beginning now. Certainly some very interesting stuff. The stuff he's saying about where stars are on specific dates has me thinking, though. Aren't the locations of the stars different now than they were 2,000 years ago, and therefore things that happen on certain dates now, happened on different dates 2,000 years ago?

Thanks to a vast understanding of physics and astronomy, scientists today can tell you exactly what was where in the sky at any given time of day on any day in the history of the planet. No bull. There even exists commercial software that can show you what we missed before our species existed. The universe is expanding at a constant rate, but it is very predictable.

Will watch that video now.

[Insurgent]

(Some notes from the film-maker which I found online)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/06/361581.shtml

I would like to say one thing in regards to a continual comment/question I am getting, and that is :

"What do we do now?"

Step One: REALIZE FEAR IS AN ILLUSION
which is a tool perpetuated by religion and the political system to keep societies under control. Don't worry about "the government
watching you" or any of the general bullying tactics used to keep people from rising up. Ask questions, get in the way, and don't back down in your march to know the truth about EVERYTHING.

The pursuit of true and the processes of understanding/realization is the only true religion.

As an aside, if you are not familiar with Ed & Elaine Brown who are currently in a stand off with the authorities due to the Income tax fraud, you should be. They have asked for one thing "Show us the law that says we have to pay the income tax on our wages, and we will pay". The government can't show the law because there isn't one. I strongly suggest everyone support the Browns. They are setting a precedent that needs to be seen and heard nation wide.
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Step Two: EDUCATE YOURSELF
The mainstream media is the 4th branch of the US Government and they are going to tow the political line. Granted, they can't control everyone in their structure, but the major headlines/features you see in the major newspapers and on networks have been filtered by
agents of the corporate/political elite. All major news agencies have top brass belonging to the Council on Foreign Relations. If you are not familiar with the history and agenda of the socialist power house known as the Council on Foreign Relations, I suggest a book called " The Shadows of Power" by James Perloff. This group is the hidden arm behind American Foreign policy and they seek nothing less than the total destruction of the American Republic and the creation of a socialist system / world government.
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Step Three: EDUCATE OTHERS
Create a website/ myspace/ have email lists/call into radio shows, etc.
Don't be afraid to engage people, old and young in this points. Talk to your family.
Get some of the many DVDs out there on the subjects and copy them and pass them out.
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Final Point:

The 2 dominant motto's used in the game by those who wish to manipulate and control is

1) Divide and Conquer
2) Order out of Chaos

-Divide and Conquer-
They try to get people at odds with each other in order to keep people distracted and to prevent unity.
The duality put forth by religion, exploited by governments, in the general form of GOOD vs EVIL, is a farce. There is no good- There is no evil. There are only degrees of operating "with the current of nature" or "against the current of nature" and when you understand that
the 'collective consciousness' is no different in structure than your 'personal consciousness' in that the whole of the species undergoes social 'conflicts of interest', just as an individual battles personal 'conflicts of interests'(pertaining to arrogance/ stubbornness/ poor temperaments, etc) you can understand that the battle against the Elite is a macrocosm of your own PERSONAL internal battle dealing with your own misguided feelings of superiority, arrogance and the like.

Therefor, change in many ways starts with increased self-awareness and thus the removal of the ego based elitism that we all at one time or another share. No one is better then anyone else. Period. We are all the same. We are also One.


- Order out of Chaos-
This is simple. They create problems, instill unrest, then push forward their agenda disguised as a change in the best interest of the public.

911; Katrina; the War on Drugs:; Global Warming; Terrorism in general, Iraqi insurgents, Immigration, Inflation... are all used to whatever advantage they can muster up.

The more real or fabricated problems that arise, the faster the elite can reposition power. [I.E. After WW1, we had the "League of Nations" . After WWII, we had the United Nations; After WWIII, we will likely have a full on One World Government.]

In my opinion, the criminal elements behind the US/UK administration want nothing less than World War, as it will be the ultimate
"shake up" of things to get their agenda into full swing.

Peter J.
"The Revolution Is Now"
www.zeitgeistmovie.com

[jaqeboy]

Good find, Insurgent!

I also hear the "What do we do now?" question all the time, so I'm glad to see Peter J offering his answers.

[burnthebeautiful]

I'm watching the beginning now. Certainly some very interesting stuff. The stuff he's saying about where stars are on specific dates has me thinking, though. Aren't the locations of the stars different now than they were 2,000 years ago, and therefore things that happen on certain dates now, happened on different dates 2,000 years ago?

Thanks to a vast understanding of physics and astronomy, scientists today can tell you exactly what was where in the sky at any given time of day on any day in the history of the planet. No bull. There even exists commercial software that can show you what we missed before our species existed. The universe is expanding at a constant rate, but it is very predictable.

Will watch that video now.

But still, in the movie the narrator says something like "On December 25th every year, this and this happens", but wouldn't the date that it happens change over time?

[slave]

here is the truth if you have one hour. an excellent beginning from Zeitgeist...... do not be impatient. the truth is not taught it is realized.
   this is for those who care about the truth; as opposed to the feeding of the fake ego. the hiders of knowledge to press there false and oppressive superiority. oh .....what a leader to hide knowledge.
to know best; better than you do.
to keep you in the dark.

http://dl.cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/Alan_Watt_Blurb_ModernMythologicalEnemies_vs_TheManInTheMirror_July042007.mp3

[jaqeboy]

But still, in the movie the narrator says something like "On December 25th every year, this and this happens", but wouldn't the date that it happens change over time?

You should write Peter J, the filmmaker and ask him why he makes that claim: zeitgeist@zeitgeistmovie.com. I'd be interested in hearing his answer.

[shyfrog]

That song by the 5th Dimension kept popping into my head...
I couldn't take any of it seriously after that