Why fight it out in the courts?

[EthanAllen]

I think you missed the point here. The point is that juries are formed by coercion. You do not CHOOSE to be a jury: you are obligated to present yourself or you get fined.

Perhaps Article III of the New Hampshire Bill of Rights says it best;

"Society, its Organization and Purposes. When men enter into a state of society,they surrender up some of their rights to that society, in order to ensure the protection of others; and, without such an equivalent, the surrender is void."
Please apply this to your assertion and coercion evaporates.

Please understand that you are attempting to debate the "state of society" with anarchists.

[Francois Tremblay]

Don't go making an attack of me being an Anarchist. Just because I am against the State does not mean I am against society. Only a fool would be against society.

That does not, however, mean that living in society necessitates or demands that one abandon some of his rights. People who are respectful of others don't ask them to bow. Of course, if you don't have the guts to stand for your rights, you won't complain if some people take them away for "the common good."

I've been watching Deadwood recently, and while I know very well it's a semi-fictional show, I can't help thinking that the Americans alive today don't have one-tenth of the love of freedom or the guts of the people who called themselves Americans a century some ago. But then again it seems that the whole world is mollified and sclerosed. Even people who call themselves freedom-lovers (whether Anarchists or minarchists) are just looking for new, better masters to give up their rights to. It really makes me sick sometimes.

You own yourself or you don't. It's as simple as that. Who else do you trust to control you? Some guy in Washington? Some guy in a black robe who controls the trials that make and break men, appointed by some other guys you don't even know? Give me a fucking break.

[J’raxis 270145]

I think you missed the point here. The point is that juries are formed by coercion. You do not CHOOSE to be a jury: you are obligated to present yourself or you get fined.

Perhaps Article III of the New Hampshire Bill of Rights says it best;

"Society, its Organization and Purposes. When men enter into a state of society,they surrender up some of their rights to that society, in order to ensure the protection of others; and, without such an equivalent, the surrender is void."
Please apply this to your assertion and coercion evaporates.

Yeah, this is the "social contract" nonsense the government uses to force all sorts of things on people. The original "social contract" idea covered only a few things such as the obligation to serve on juries or provide for the common defense, but it's the same rationale you'll see a lot of people using nowadays for everything from taxation to federal regulations.

I don't remember signing this contract; did you?

[Francois Tremblay]

I didn't address the disgusting quote that was proposed.

Society, its Organization and Purposes. When men enter into a state of society,they surrender up some of their rights to that society, in order to ensure the protection of others; and, without such an equivalent, the surrender is void.

How the hell does being coerced to serve on juries help ensure the protection of others? This whole mockery of a "justice" system has brought nothing but grief on millions of people. When you even insinuate that, you spit on the face of those millions of people who have been falsely thrown in jail for victimless crimes. Shame on you.

The State does NOT protect us. The State does NOT serve us. The "justice" system is not there to provide justice.
The State protects its own interests. Nothing else.

[coffeeseven]

I didn't address the disgusting quote that was proposed.

Society, its Organization and Purposes. When men enter into a state of society,they surrender up some of their rights to that society, in order to ensure the protection of others; and, without such an equivalent, the surrender is void.

How the hell does being coerced to serve on juries help ensure the protection of others? This whole mockery of a "justice" system has brought nothing but grief on millions of people. When you even insinuate that, you spit on the face of those millions of people who have been falsely thrown in jail for victimless crimes. Shame on you.

The State does NOT protect us. The State does NOT serve us. The "justice" system is not there to provide justice.
The State protects its own interests. Nothing else.

Thank you.

[EthanAllen]

Don't go making an attack of me being an Anarchist. Just because I am against the State does not mean I am against society. Only a fool would be against society.

I am an individualist/Jeffersonian anarchist myself.

[armlaw]

I think you missed the point here. The point is that juries are formed by coercion. You do not CHOOSE to be a jury: you are obligated to present yourself or you get fined.

You did not specify Grand Jury or Petite Jury ? Depending upon what sovereign state you happen to be sojourning in determines whether or not you have a choice. Some states require only those who volunteer to be on Grand Juries.So check out the states as to the policy they follow and move to one where you are not coerced to be on a jury as you still are free to travel.

[d_goddard]

check out the states as to the policy they follow and move to one where you are not coerced to be on a jury as you still are free to travel.

You've almost got the point.

The response I'd love to see is one of the following two alternatives:

Alternate "A":
As it turns out, in New Hampshire, jury duty is not compulsory.

Alternate "B":
As it turns out, in New Hampshire, jury duty is compulsory. Let's get that fixed. Step #1 is to un-elect David Cote, Derelict from Nashua (on NHLA's "Dereliction of Duty" list for not voting 80%+ of the time) who is Chair of the House Judicial Committee...

[Caleb]

I applaud David Cote, Representative from Nashua!  David Cote, this Bud's for You!

How can we convince the other representatives to start seeing it David Cote's way?

[armlaw]

How can we convince the other representatives to start seeing it David Cote's way?

Just what is "David Cote's way" ? Please be specific.

[Caleb]

How can we convince the other representatives to start seeing it David Cote's way?

Just what is "David Cote's way" ? Please be specific.

Not showing up.

[d_goddard]

How can we convince the other representatives to start seeing it David Cote's way?

Just what is "David Cote's way" ? Please be specific.

Not showing up.

You are slightly but crucially mistaken, Caleb.
Cote does show up -- he just doesn't show up on Roll Call vote sessions (for whatever reason)

As Chair of his Committee, though, he wields quite a bit of power & influence over which bills will pass and which will be killed. And he has absolute, total faith that Government is the solution to any problem you care to state.

It was horribly demoralizing watching him kill Marple's bill that would have re-established a system of common law courts in NH, and again killing Ingbretson's FIJA bill.