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9/11 Truther now a political prisoner

Started by Kat Kanning, July 25, 2007, 04:28 PM NHFT

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Caleb

Because deserting the army is a distinctly political statement. In other words, "When I signed up, I was under this belief. Now, I believe that the people who signed me up are, in fact, the enemy that I was trying to fight. I am, therefore, unwilling to fight for them anymore, and in fact consider them to be my enemy."  It doesn't get much more political than that. I find it hard to believe that his 9/11 stance and his desertion of the army are unrelated situations.

I find Error's "contract obligation" nonsense laughable (though I won't ding your karma for it.  ;) )  If we were in NAZI Germany, would a person have an obligation to continue burning Jews in ovens until the Fuhrer graciously let him out of his "contract".  Give me a break! How much evil does someone have to ask you to do before you are justified in breaking your contract with that person to do whatever they say? Can a person sign a contract obligating himself to do immoral things? Or is such a contract, by its very nature, null and void from the outset. I think the answer is obvious.

David

As much as I believe agreements should be followed, every person has a higher duty to honor the equal rights of others.  The accidental killing of even a single innocent person in a 'war zone' is evil.  No agreement can rightfully require you to violate the rights of liberty and life of another person. 
Furthermore, even though the paperwork requires a person to be at the beck and call of the prez, it is abundantly clear through the gov't propaganda that the military is supposed to be for national defense.  That is a verbal, and sometimes written promise, it is just not a formal contract.  When it becomes clear that the gov't has broken its word about the purpose of the military, it is the same as a broken contract.  At that point the one who has kept his end of the bargain, now has the freedom to violate it. 

error

Quote from: Caleb on July 27, 2007, 10:26 PM NHFT
Because deserting the army is a distinctly political statement. In other words, "When I signed up, I was under this belief. Now, I believe that the people who signed me up are, in fact, the enemy that I was trying to fight. I am, therefore, unwilling to fight for them anymore, and in fact consider them to be my enemy."  It doesn't get much more political than that. I find it hard to believe that his 9/11 stance and his desertion of the army are unrelated situations.

And that's one of several reasons why the military is mostly not prosecuting deserters. You'll notice they haven't done much of anything with Korey Rowe. Hell, they LET HIM GO.

41mag

Quote from: error on July 27, 2007, 03:18 PM NHFT
Because if he signed a contract to enter military "service," then I want to know if he's the sort of person who breaks his contracts, or if it's the government screwing up again. I don't like it when people break their contracts.

I personally think the proper thing to do if you're on active duty when you suddenly realize the evil of what you're doing is to find a way to get the military to release you from the contract, rather than trying to run away from your obligations. Since there are a bunch of ways to do this, it wouldn't be very hard.
In signing that contract he also took an oath:
QuoteI, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I think there would be conflict between the oath taken by an enlisted person and the way the military is currently being run.