PHOOEY!

[J’raxis 270145]

   I don't care who says what or kills who BUT if you look at history, the Jews are pretty much ALWAYS getting exterminated for some reacon or other.  Me thinks it is because there IS a God and the Jews are his people.  If you look at modern history, those who screw with the Jews get hammered badly.  Look what we did to the Germans!  We sent them back to the stone age where they belonged for what they did.  6.000.000 Jews, 7 million Christians, Wiccans/Gypsies and CHristians/protestants.  Hitler worshiped the "Earth" and was a VERY spiritual man, so wern't his followers.  Look up NAZI mysticysim, you'll be horrified at how close it is to the Earth Worshiping movement in this day and age.  After all, the NAZI sign was just a symbol of mother earth turning and unified.

There are countless civilizations that have been attacked in the same manner as the Jews have—oppression, slavery, expulsion, genocide, &c. The only thing that makes Jews unique is that they've survived all of the attacks on them over several millenia, whereas most civilizations end up being destroyed outright or absorbed by the surrounding population after one or two incidents.

[CNHT]

Pol Pot, Communist, killed millions of people. The Cambodians had their holocaust too.

[grasshopper]

   Yup, and now it's our turn!  We can show the world how to do genocide!  We have the technology to make it really clean.  First we round up all those militia types in national purges.  Yup, then we find the bloggers who "didn't get the point" and have at them.  THEN we go after the assholes with the "military style vehicles" as described by the UN. (never forget, the Russians were defeated by the Toyota motor company.)  After this we go after subversive reading materials such as the Constitution, yup, don't need that crap any more.  In our New World Order, all we need is Gia, ourselves and the "Mother" (gia again).  We already have our human sacrificial buildings, yup, 43 million children sent to Molec sense Roe vs. Wade.  Yup, you might not believe in God, or religion but if you look at history, the Nations that turn away from Good (God) will reap the anger of God.  For instance, Rome.  Rome was started by direct descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel, same with Denmark, England ect.ect.  as a matter of fact, the Coronation Stone of the throne of England is none other that Jacobs head stone that he received his vision from God.  The same stone that was taken out of Egypt and was used for miracles, the same stone that was used to coronate King David, Saul, ect.ect...  In all these examples, the nation in question that turned from God was destroyed.   Our latest example?  Nazi (socialist) Germany.  Does Dresden ring any bells?
   Now, the thing that scars the shit out of ME is the Pope (yup, Pope means "Son of the Mother") just said that Protestants are not real Christians just last week or so.  What does this mean?  Well in MY opinion it tells me that the Roman Catholic Church is not led by Jesus but by Satan himself.  (call me crazy.)
   Me thinks I see a familiar pattern starting to appear here.  In the Bible, it talks about not being able to buy sell or trade without a mark in your head or in your right hand. Ahhhhhh....  does this sound kind of like RFID chips?  The IRS and the National Monetary Fund? (a beast is something that is SOoooo big that it is almost impossible to stop.)  see mantra.
   I know 1 thing. It is the Christians that are preventing these "camps" from being used, it is the Christians that are keeping people from taking and destroying society.  It i the Christian bible that is the reason why this country is so great.  Look at the 10 commandments for instance..  is it not common sense to not covet?  Want something that is not yours and plot to steal it even if means murder and then lying to cover your ass and then to blame it on somebody else while screwing the guys wife?  Everything in those last few lines are part of the 10 commandments.
   What thinks you guys?

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[CNHT]

LOL I like your tin foil hat, complete with rabbit ears.

It might delight you to know that the CFR is taking Ron Paul's candidacy very seriously. I told them, they better because when he's elected, we will outlaw groups like theirs who try to subvert the will of the people. (I really said that, didn't faze him though)

[lowen]

   Yup, and now it's our turn!  We can show the world how to do genocide!  We have the technology to make it really clean.  First we round up all those militia types in national purges.  Yup, then we find the bloggers who "didn't get the point" and have at them.  THEN we go after the assholes with the "military style vehicles" as described by the UN. (never forget, the Russians were defeated by the Toyota motor company.)  After this we go after subversive reading materials such as the Constitution, yup, don't need that crap any more.  In our New World Order, all we need is Gia, ourselves and the "Mother" (gia again).  We already have our human sacrificial buildings, yup, 43 million children sent to Molec sense Roe vs. Wade.  Yup, you might not believe in God, or religion but if you look at history, the Nations that turn away from Good (God) will reap the anger of God.  For instance, Rome.  Rome was started by direct descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel, same with Denmark, England ect.ect.  as a matter of fact, the Coronation Stone of the throne of England is none other that Jacobs head stone that he received his vision from God.  The same stone that was taken out of Egypt and was used for miracles, the same stone that was used to coronate King David, Saul, ect.ect...  In all these examples, the nation in question that turned from God was destroyed.   Our latest example?  Nazi (socialist) Germany.  Does Dresden ring any bells?
   Now, the thing that scars the shit out of ME is the Pope (yup, Pope means "Son of the Mother") just said that Protestants are not real Christians just last week or so.  What does this mean?  Well in MY opinion it tells me that the Roman Catholic Church is not led by Jesus but by Satan himself.  (call me crazy.)
   Me thinks I see a familiar pattern starting to appear here.  In the Bible, it talks about not being able to buy sell or trade without a mark in your head or in your right hand. Ahhhhhh....  does this sound kind of like RFID chips?  The IRS and the National Monetary Fund? (a beast is something that is SOoooo big that it is almost impossible to stop.)  see mantra.
   I know 1 thing. It is the Christians that are preventing these "camps" from being used, it is the Christians that are keeping people from taking and destroying society.  It i the Christian bible that is the reason why this country is so great.  Look at the 10 commandments for instance..  is it not common sense to not covet?  Want something that is not yours and plot to steal it even if means murder and then lying to cover your ass and then to blame it on somebody else while screwing the guys wife?  Everything in those last few lines are part of the 10 commandments.
   What thinks you guys?

The foundation of this nation and its greatness has, quite literally, NOTHING to do with Christianity. I've found today's christians to be more in favor of... well, let's just call it enslavement of mankind. Even the ones that make a connection between "the system" and the number of the beast, etc., would still like to find other ways to enslave us in the name of the lord. The ten commandments were NOTHING new. They were just another list in a long line of lists handed down by various gods to their people, and they pretty much said the same thing. Hitler wasn't a Gaian, he was a devout christian. Stop trying to distance that monster with your faith and connecting him to other peoples. What he did was in the name of christianity, so deal with it.

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1. People worshipped the Earth first, before anything else....in the beginning, that is all there was to worship. Sun, Moon, Earth. Anyone who does not feel spitiual connection to the Earth is missing out, because to put it planly, the Earth freakin' rocks and animals are waaaaay better than humans.

I agree, but I would not put animals before humans. If you were being attacked by a bear (and we have some who will come right into your kitchen and rip the door off your fridge!) as much as I love the bear, I would shoot it to save your life...

2. Just to clarify....Earth based spiritual groups, at least the ones I know of around here, are some fo the most conservative people I know. NOT the "go green" folks who run around screaming their socialist views, REAL earth based spirituality is all about self, taking care of yourself and your family and your earth. They want to shrink, not only gov't, but EVERYTHING. They believe in living simply, personal resonsibility and holding people accountable. "Live and let live", if you will. They are strong belivers in staying true to your word and really, just don't want to be bothered. They want to garden and cook and have families, they want their children to learn in small coop or homeschools and they don't like war. They are some of the best folks I know.

That kind of earth worship I can deal with...

3. The Swastika is a very very old symbol. About 3,000 years. Throughout time it has represented everything from life, sun, peace and luck. It has been a positive symbol in many ancient cultures, China/India/Germany, many many peoples of the ancient world used this symbol as a good omen and symbol for life regenerating and basicallly, peace. It even, at one time or another, made it's way on to the shoulder patches of US soldiers...I believe in WWI. Hitler used it as his symbol BECAUSE it has been known predominately as a symbol of peace throughout the world for so so long....since before the Christians savior was born. I'm actually really pissed he stole it because it's a neat symbol and so very ancient...but now no one feels PC using it, though you can still find it on a lot of stuff in India.

Correct again! It's not the actual symbol that is harmful but usually the stuff that it has been associated with that puts it in the 'bad' column...which is a shame.

I am disturbed to say the least that your view of our current situation is so skewed....the Christians are saving us from torture and death camps??? Are you insane?? It is the crazed Christian fanatics that are paving our road to hell....can you not see them?? They put their laws on my body, tell me what I can and cannot do......WANT TO WASTE ENDLESS TAX DOLLARS sitting around trying to pass laws about who can and cannot marry?? Holy shit, these people are ruining us.

And it's worse with Muslims...we now have to provide foot baths for them to do their religious ceremonies in public institutions, and other special privs. Can you imagine if we demanded stations of the cross in every public place?

TRUE Christianity is a beautiful thing....but I'd venture to say that any true Christian would be ashamed to call himself as such in these times. Look at all of them, judging and casting stones. Voting on other people's rights and telling me that I can't have access to pills that would prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Jesus didn't live like that, he didn't want anyonet o live like that. He would cast shame on any man who felt that he was SO right that he could tell another man how to live and keep his family....these people are crazy and out of line.

Agree. Concept = good, Organized religion = bad.

OH and by the way...don't forget who marches under the "Torture is okay, support our president no matter what" banner.....a little under 700,000 dead Iraqis would love to have a chat with you about "Christian Values"...but they can't, becuase they're dead.

Which is why defending yourself by going after the perpetrator of your attack directly (LMR) is much better than attacking a whole country full of innocents who are bound to be affected no matter how hard you try...

Nothing against you man, you've been so kind to me, but FYI: Christianity these days, is like the ring in the nose of a circus bear....it is being used to sway their political leanings and to gain support for candidates and legislature. The Christian poplution in this country is dragged around like meat and shoved behind any legislature these crazy Liberty Stomping politicians are trying to get passed...it's bizarre and crazy to watch.

True, a lot of them are misguided into thinking that supporting this is supporting their country...

I left the church because I got sick and tired of this political bullshit getting in the way of actual worship....you know,the reason people are supposed to go to church. I got sick and tired of feeling disconnented from my parish because I couldn't share my views, which were/are: My religion is my religion....but  politically, I stand for leaving people alone to make choices for themselves about their own lives. Get your laws, your morals and your peeping eyes out of my life, off of my body and aways from my bedroom. if I want to be a lesbian, my choice. If I want to have an abortion, my choice. They are playing into the hands of politicians who want to continue to distract Americans from what's really going on here....which is, the gov'ts of this world are taking us straight to hell in a handbasket!

Have you seen the Faithful Democracy website? It's the NH C of Churches and the UUs, a veritable mini-UN, demanding that the gov't raise taxes so they can 'do their work' (i.e., control and equalize everything) better. Amazing. I say if they want a political voice, they should shut up pay taxes too. Or better just shut up and do charity work which is what religious groups are supposed to do.

[J’raxis 270145]

   I don't care who says what or kills who BUT if you look at history, the Jews are pretty much ALWAYS getting exterminated for some reacon or other.  Me thinks it is because there IS a God and the Jews are his people.  If you look at modern history, those who screw with the Jews get hammered badly.  Look what we did to the Germans!  We sent them back to the stone age where they belonged for what they did.  6.000.000 Jews, 7 million Christians, Wiccans/Gypsies and CHristians/protestants.  Hitler worshiped the "Earth" and was a VERY spiritual man, so wern't his followers.  Look up NAZI mysticysim, you'll be horrified at how close it is to the Earth Worshiping movement in this day and age.  After all, the NAZI sign was just a symbol of mother earth turning and unified.

1. People worshipped the Earth first, before anything else....in the beginning, that is all there was to worship. Sun, Moon, Earth. Anyone who does not feel spitiual connection to the Earth is missing out, because to put it planly, the Earth freakin' rocks and animals are waaaaay better than humans. I can make my church in any clearing i nthe woods, by the ocean with a fresh breeze in my face or high in the mountains, with all of the beauty and splendor of nature around me. I don't think it's fair, if that's what you're doing, to make a connection between Hilters "Earth Worship" and todays movement toward focusing on and connecting with Mother Earth. Hitler can say he believed in fellowship with animals and in earth based spirituality.....but he didn't really. Anyone who respects Earth, has to respect all of her creatures and he proved, a little under 10 million times, that he does not respect all of the beings on the Earth.

Hitler's religion was actually a revival of the old Norse religion, modified as needed to serve as a vehicle for German nationalism. Modern neopagans often combine parts of the original Norse religion with Earth worship, but I have never heard that was part of Nazism.

3. The Swastika is a very very old symbol. About 3,000 years. Throughout time it has represented everything from life, sun, peace and luck. It has been a positive symbol in many ancient cultures, China/India/Germany, many many peoples of the ancient world used this symbol as a good omen and symbol for life regenerating and basicallly, peace. It even, at one time or another, made it's way on to the shoulder patches of US soldiers...I believe in WWI. Hitler used it as his symbol BECAUSE it has been known predominately as a symbol of peace throughout the world for so so long....since before the Christians savior was born. I'm actually really pissed he stole it because it's a neat symbol and so very ancient...but now no one feels PC using it, though you can still find it on a lot of stuff in India.

The Nazis discovered the symbol in their attempts to equate Germans with the ancient Aryan people, of which modern Indians and many other central Asian cultures are descendants. Since it was used by the Aryans, it became a Nazi symbol—this doesn't mean it's always had the same evil connotations that the Nazis gave it.

It even, at one time or another, made it's way on to the shoulder patches of US soldiers...

It was even used on the floor of a Jewish temple at Ein Gedi.

[J’raxis 270145]

Also.........abortion is legitimate. Maybe not for me...but if someone else thinks it is for them, that is their choice...a very personal and private one, for them to make alone. Nothing disturbs me more than politicians sitting around talking about whether or not gay people should be allowed to marry, or whther women should be allowed to terminate pregnancies.

There was an interesting thread about this over on the Free State Project forum.

[CNHT]

Also.........abortion is legitimate. Maybe not for me...but if someone else thinks it is for them, that is their choice...a very personal and private one, for them to make alone. Nothing disturbs me more than politicians sitting around talking about whether or not gay people should be allowed to marry, or whether women should be allowed to terminate pregnancies.

There was an interesting thread about this over on the Free State Project forum.

I don't happen to think any form of murder is legitimate, save for pregnancies gone bad (there are just too many people willing to adopt who can't find babies so there's no economic excuse to abort -- the adopting couples will even pay for the doctor bills as my sister did) and so if you are against war, and the death penalty, it would be hypocritical to feel that killing via abortion is a 'right'. I had to rethink my position on the death penalty because of being anti-abortion so as to be consistent. And I'm glad I did.

And the gay marriage thing, well no one is stopping gays from doing anything, why does the government have to make any laws about it? They should be lucky they have no 'marriage' laws and leave it at that. Marriage is a religious ceremony. The only laws that might be needed is if you have children and you need to provide for those children since children cannot go out and get a job to provide for themselves and thus would be injurious to them. Other than that gays are free to make contracts between themselves just like heteros who don't use religious ceremonies can. The legislation just passed in NH was bad because it was more about forcing employers to pay benefits (special rights for special groups)...whether they want to or not. But some libertarians don't mind bigger government when it benefits THEM... It's a money thing, as my libertarian gay friend w/live in boyfriend always tells me. It's more government. And he wants no part of creating more gov't to give himself special rights.

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I was born into Christianity but I can't say as I ever 'loved Christ'. It was more a fairy tale figure to me.

Whether Hitler was a Christian or a Gaian doesn't really matter -- since anyone person in any group can give that group a bad name.

However, the whole premise of Christianity is to 'do good' (other than corrupted by individuals) while the whole premise of the 'Gaian' fabrication is to steal money from us and control our behavior, on it's face..

Follow the money. 

[CNHT]

Jane:

I would appreciate it very muchif you would *please* shoot any bear trying to eat me for lunch! Animals should be protected from mindless killings as a result of just not caring whether they live or die....but hunting to eat or defending yourself is fine! I love a venison steak just as much as the next gal!

If a bear is hungry enough or if you are there in the presence of their cubs, that's when you run like hell. But up camping many of them were rummaging around in the dumpster and that's really all they cared about...

I can appreciate that a lot of these folks yelling "Up with George, down with the Muslims!" have been brainwashed pretty well into this "patriotism = do what George Bush says you should" way of thinking...that's why it makes me so mad when I hear "Well, we gotta stay over there because they tried to kill us....freedom isn't free" yes, but we are paying a heavy price for fake freedom...ugh.

I do think that if you watch Al Jazeera you will see a lot of this religious hatred, supposedly directed by the writings of the religion itself, infused into the government and culture of many of the people. But, we need to deal with individuals who do harm, individually as we would any criminal, not organizations. Of course if the organizations are promoting violence they should be condemned for that too. A crime is a crime. The teachings of Christianity generally don't tell people to kill although there is violence portrayed in the Bible (I think, I've never read it) But once again, no need to condemn everyone. If you're going to give Muslims a pass because most of them are not violently trying to kill all non-Muslims, then Christians, as a group, deserve one too. I haven't heard of too many Christians flying planes in to buildings lately.

In my career I saw people who were bad parents for many years. We can't really make laws against the natural right to have kids, but only intervene when that kid is being hurt in some way. And in no way would I ever use abortion as method of ethnic cleansing, of people who I don't think are 'as good as', or such. That is a bad path to pursue. Now having said that, what if, just what if, I was your age and got pregnant but was either jobless or poor or mentally unable to cope with the care of a child? I'd have it and give it to some nice rich couple who desperately want a kid but who have to wait years on a waiting list as my sister did.

That way, I don't bring the kid into a potentially bad situation where I cannot economically or emotionally cope, the kid gets to live, and the new parents can devote themselves to giving the kid a good life. My sister's 3 adopted kids are the luckiest kids on earth and they know it!

[Lloyd Danforth]

Lack of responsibility concerning taking care of children has been institutionalized. Teens and others with no prospects and no commitment decide to 'keep' the baby and there is something wrong with anyone who suggests it might be a bad idea.

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Lack of responsibility concerning taking care of children has been institutionalized. Teens and others with no prospects and no commitment decide to 'keep' the baby and there is something wrong with anyone who suggests it might be a bad idea.

It is hoped they would do the right thing and give it up if they are not prepared to take the repsonsibility. It's a tough call because for a woman to give up her baby once she sees it, has held it, has smelled it, is very difficult and can cause all sorts of emotional problems. It is more biologically natural to want to care for and nurture it. It's a thing even animals in the wild have to ensure the continuation of the species. Most animals who reject their offspring are in zoos and have sort of had their brains confused...I think.

Responsibility is the key in a free society -- irresponsibility gives govt an excuse to make rules and laws for the majority whether they need them or not. SO it behooves us to be responsible.

[J’raxis 270145]

Also.........abortion is legitimate. Maybe not for me...but if someone else thinks it is for them, that is their choice...a very personal and private one, for them to make alone. Nothing disturbs me more than politicians sitting around talking about whether or not gay people should be allowed to marry, or whether women should be allowed to terminate pregnancies.

There was an interesting thread about this over on the Free State Project forum.

I don't happen to think any form of murder is legitimate, save for pregnancies gone bad (there are just too many people willing to adopt who can't find babies so there's no economic excuse to abort -- the adopting couples will even pay for the doctor bills as my sister did) and so if you are against war, and the death penalty, it would be hypocritical to feel that killing via abortion is a 'right'. I had to rethink my position on the death penalty because of being anti-abortion so as to be consistent. And I'm glad I did.

Bu that's all predicated on whether or not you believe the fetus is, during the early stages of pregnancy, a "human life." If a person believes life begins at conception, then yes, opposing abortion is the only way to be consistent. This is Ron Paul's position, for example. But if one uses another milestone, such as heartbeat, or brainwaves, or viability outside the womb, this then allows one to be both pro-choice and otherwise against murder, while still maintaining a consistent belief system.

The FSP thread sort of got into this, too—we more or less concluded that if people can't agree on premises, the debate will never end.

[CNHT]

I just wish my tax dollars weren't spent on so many thousands of abortions in this state, with the funding of a private corporation like Planned Parenthood.

However, other than that,

1 - I will never have the problem in my lifetime of having to have an abortion
2 - I will never be in a position to have any influence on the law concerning it one way or another and,
3 - I care more about 2nd Amendment Rights and Taxes, my two priorities in exactly that order, and feel if we didn't have our money confiscated to be used on things we didn't agree, then it wouldn't matter. The government can only do what you give it money to do.

That's why Ron Paul is my man.