Political Prisoner: Loose Change Producer Korey Rowe Arrested
Iraq, Afghanistan veteran handed over to military officials by police under charges of "deserting the Army"
Prison Planet | July 25, 2007
Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson
Loose Change producer and Iraq and Afghanistan veteran Korey Rowe has been arrested and handed over to military officials without bail for allegedly "deserting the Army".
According to a report in the New York Daily Star , Rowe was arrested on Monday night at a county Route 47 residence in Oneonta.
Rowe was arrested on a "military warrant" that Devlin said was brought to the attention of deputies by the Oneonta Police Department, who received information from a source outside of that department.
Rowe was living at the Route 47 home, Devlin said.
City police officials who were able to comment on the case were unavailable Tuesday night.
After deputies received the information from Oneonta police, they reached out to the Army, and officials from Fort Knox faxed a copy of the warrant, deputies said.
Arrests and court martials for deserters are incredibly rare and this appears to be an obvious case of political persecution as the Loose Change crew prepare the cinematic release of the final version of their popular documentary.
According to MSNBC , "Despite a rise in desertions from the Army as the Iraq war drags on into a fifth year, the U.S. military does almost nothing to find those who flee and rarely prosecutes those it gets its hands on."
The Army court-martialed just 5% of deserters last year, with that number dropping to just 1 per cent or less for the Navy and the Marines.
Rowe enlisted in the Army in August 2001 and left in June 2005. He has been out of the Army for over two years. He was previously arrested under similar circumstances but was immediately released.
Alex Jones interviewed Rowe at a conference in Chicago last year (watch above), during which he exposed how CNN and the military would stage photo-ops to make it appear as if Al-Qaeda members were being killed in Afghanistan, along with a host of other cover-ups and atrocities.
This will inevitably backfire on the authorities, but only if we put intense pressure on them to release Korey. Relevent phone numbers to the appear below, please be polite and ask for information on Korey Rowe and demand his release.
Fort Campbell, Kentucky (where Rowe is apparently now being transfered to) 798 6160 6403.
Department of Defense (DoD) Public Affairs at 703-697-5131 or media@defenselink.mil
Otsego County Jail Sheriff's Office: (where Korey was taken after arrest)
172 County Highway 33W
Cooperstown, NY 13326
Phone: 607.547.4271
FAX: 607.547.6413
Jail Administrator:
Lt. Donald R. Lincourt
607.547.1611
Jail Clerk
Sallie Harrington
607.547.4270
Personally I'm waiting to see what the military does.
I'm not getting involved with this at all.
Some more news:
Rowe's car seen at old Griffiss base (http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/07/26/jprowe07253.html)
A trip last week to film the former Griffiss Air Force Base in Rome led to the arrest of Oneonta resident Korey Rowe for allegedly deserting from the Army in 2005.
Air Force Office of Special Investigations personnel notified the Oneonta Police Department there was an outstanding desertion warrant for Rowe, city Police Lt. Cameron Allison said.
"An individual was warned about taking pictures on military property in Rome, N.Y.," Allison said Wednesday. "The vehicle was registered to Korey Rowe."
. . .
Dylan Avery, the creator of the original "Loose Change film," said he was in Rome alone to film the base and was driving the car.
The base is home to the Northeast Air Defense Sector, a component of North American Aerospace Defense Command.
Military police from Fort Drum picked Rowe up from the Otsego County jail Wednesday morning, and he was driven back to the Watertown base.
"We've talked to him. He's fine. And he should be back home soon," Avery, a childhood friend, said.
Rowe is expecting to be processed out of the Army in a week or two, he added.
"That's the impression he's getting," Avery said.
Commanders have a range of administrative, non-judicial and judicial tools at their disposal to address acts of absence without leave and desertion, according to an Army fact sheet on desertion.
"Mr. Rowe's case will follow the same procedures and policies as any other soldier," Army spokesman Anthony O'Bryant said Wednesday.
Quote from: RattyDog on July 26, 2007, 10:01 AM NHFT
I wish they hadn't felt the need to take him away from his life like that, just to be vindictive and give him a hard time because they don't like his truth.
I don't think they did anything unusual for someone who'd deserted. There's certainly no sign in any of the news accounts that he was targeted because of his views on 9/11.
So he wasn't a political prisoner? He was actually a deserter? And is going to be released from his obligations to the army anyway? Can we change the title of this thread?
Quote from: Braddogg on July 26, 2007, 11:20 AM NHFT
So he wasn't a political prisoner? He was actually a deserter? And is going to be released from his obligations to the army anyway? Can we change the title of this thread?
Yeah, he was a deserter. This was fairly common knowledge.
Dylan Avery isn't really being "held" so much when he can hold a camera and make YouTube videos from the airport.
The latest is that he is on his way to Fort Campbell to get his discharge papers.
There's a lot more to this story http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/260707dischargepapers.htm
Quote from: Insurgent on July 26, 2007, 05:40 PM NHFT
There's a lot more to this story http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/260707dischargepapers.htm
Interesting. Now I'm suspicious -- of Korey Rowe. First, I want to know what his real name is. I just spent a little while going through DoD discharge records and could find no record of a "Korey Rowe" at all having been discharged, honorably or otherwise, from any branch of the Armed Forces. Second, I want to see his DD-214.
Quote from: error on July 26, 2007, 06:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: Insurgent on July 26, 2007, 05:40 PM NHFT
There's a lot more to this story http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/260707dischargepapers.htm
Interesting. Now I'm suspicious -- of Korey Rowe. First, I want to know what his real name is. I just spent a little while going through DoD discharge records and could find no record of a "Korey Rowe" at all having been discharged, honorably or otherwise, from any branch of the Armed Forces. Second, I want to see his DD-214.
So he went from "expecting to be processed out of the Army in a week or two" to already having his honorable discharge papers at arm's length for the five or six sheriffs who cut off his phone lines and came from the woods yet did not use violence in taking him in?
I hope my karma doesn't get dinged again for this. It's been a rough week or two on the karma front, between this and the anti-vaccine crap.
Oh, they've smited me about 15 times now.
"This will inevitably backfire on the authorities, but only if we put intense pressure on them to release Korey. Relevent phone numbers to the appear below, please be polite and ask for information on Korey Rowe and demand his release."
How do you "politely" "demand his release"?
When you "demand" something ... isn't there some sort of threat of action?
Quote from: error on July 26, 2007, 09:42 AM NHFT
I'm not getting involved with this at all.
Some more news:
ok ....
what does "involved" mean to you? not commenting on this thread .... not promoting it .... not breaking him out of jail
Quote from: error on July 26, 2007, 09:32 AM NHFT
Personally I'm waiting to see what the military does.
waiting to do what?
waiting for what?
Quote from: Braddogg on July 26, 2007, 11:20 AM NHFT
So he wasn't a political prisoner? He was actually a deserter? And is going to be released from his obligations to the army anyway? Can we change the title of this thread?
to me ... it doesn't matter why he was arrested ... I like everyone to be free
Is there a difference between being a "political prisoner" and a "deserter"?
Why would we change the name of the thread?
Quote from: error on July 26, 2007, 06:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: Insurgent on July 26, 2007, 05:40 PM NHFT
There's a lot more to this story http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/260707dischargepapers.htm
Interesting. Now I'm suspicious -- of Korey Rowe. First, I want to know what his real name is. I just spent a little while going through DoD discharge records and could find no record of a "Korey Rowe" at all having been discharged, honorably or otherwise, from any branch of the Armed Forces. Second, I want to see his DD-214.
Why do you have to know what a guys "real" name is? Why would you use the evil records of the government to learn more about people? Why should anyone be judged by his dd-214?
Quote from: Braddogg on July 27, 2007, 01:56 AM NHFT
I hope my karma doesn't get dinged again for this. It's been a rough week or two on the karma front, between this and the anti-vaccine crap.
why would your karma getted dinged for replying on this thread?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2007, 01:04 PM NHFT
Quote from: error on July 26, 2007, 06:05 PM NHFT
Interesting. Now I'm suspicious -- of Korey Rowe. First, I want to know what his real name is. I just spent a little while going through DoD discharge records and could find no record of a "Korey Rowe" at all having been discharged, honorably or otherwise, from any branch of the Armed Forces. Second, I want to see his DD-214.
Why do you have to know what a guys "real" name is? Why would you use the evil records of the government to learn more about people? Why should anyone be judged by his dd-214?
Because if he signed a contract to enter military "service," then I want to know if he's the sort of person who breaks his contracts, or if it's the government screwing up again. I don't like it when people break their contracts.
I personally think the proper thing to do if you're on active duty when you suddenly realize the evil of what you're doing is to find a way to get the military to release you from the contract, rather than trying to run away from your obligations. Since there are a bunch of ways to do this, it wouldn't be very hard.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2007, 01:01 PM NHFT
Quote from: Braddogg on July 26, 2007, 11:20 AM NHFT
So he wasn't a political prisoner? He was actually a deserter? And is going to be released from his obligations to the army anyway? Can we change the title of this thread?
to me ... it doesn't matter why he was arrested ... I like everyone to be free
Is there a difference between being a "political prisoner" and a "deserter"?
Why would we change the name of the thread?
Sure there is. "
Political prisoner" was used to imply that he was being held explicitly because of his involvement in the 9/11-Truth movement -- because of his
political actions. In some sense, all prisoners are political prisoners. But, of course, if this guy had been caught on tape killing someone, the title of the thread wouldn't have been "9/11 Truther now a political prisoner." You run a newspaper, you must know that using the right words for a headline creates a different spin to a story.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2007, 01:04 PM NHFT
Why would you use the evil records of the government to learn more about people? Why should anyone be judged by his dd-214?
If you want information on a guy's contract with the evil government, then it would make sense to look at the government's evil records. The veracity of his story can be judged by a DD-214.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2007, 01:05 PM NHFT
Quote from: Braddogg on July 27, 2007, 01:56 AM NHFT
I hope my karma doesn't get dinged again for this. It's been a rough week or two on the karma front, between this and the anti-vaccine crap.
why would your karma getted dinged for replying on this thread?
Ask the dude or dudess doing it ;)
Quote from: Braddogg on July 27, 2007, 03:32 PM NHFTYou run a newspaper, you must know that using the right words for a headline creates a different spin to a story.
I am a completely irresponsible part of a newpaper.
Quote from: Braddogg on July 27, 2007, 03:35 PM NHFT
If you want information on a guy's contract with the evil government, then it would make sense to look at the government's evil records. The veracity of his story can be judged by a DD-214.
Could the government lie?
Quote from: error on July 27, 2007, 03:18 PM NHFT
Because if he signed a contract to enter military "service," then I want to know if he's the sort of person who breaks his contracts, or if it's the government screwing up again. I don't like it when people break their contracts.
I personally think the proper thing to do if you're on active duty when you suddenly realize the evil of what you're doing is to find a way to get the military to release you from the contract, rather than trying to run away from your obligations. Since there are a bunch of ways to do this, it wouldn't be very hard.
What if they don't release you? What if they tell you to kill people?
How about this for a title?
A member of a 9/11 Truth group may or may not be in jail because of an outstanding army warrant.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2007, 08:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: Braddogg on July 27, 2007, 03:35 PM NHFT
If you want information on a guy's contract with the evil government, then it would make sense to look at the government's evil records. The veracity of his story can be judged by a DD-214.
Could the government lie?
No.
. . . . .
BWAHAHAHA!! Oh man, I can't believe I held a straight face for that long! Sure, the government lies.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2007, 08:40 PM NHFT
How about this for a title?
A member of a 9/11 Truth group may or may not be in jail because of an outstanding army warrant.
Or: 9/11 Truther Arrested for "Desertion".
Sure, the government lies, but so does Korey Rowe. So I'm questioning everything about this whole situation.
Quote from: Braddogg on July 27, 2007, 09:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2007, 08:40 PM NHFT
How about this for a title?
A member of a 9/11 Truth group may or may not be in jail because of an outstanding army warrant.
Or: 9/11 Truther Arrested for "Desertion".
How about
Dangerous Conspiracy Theorist finally brought to justice for his Desertion and Threats against our National Security.
Quote from: Caleb on July 27, 2007, 10:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: Braddogg on July 26, 2007, 11:20 AM NHFT
So he wasn't a political prisoner? He was actually a deserter? And is going to be released from his obligations to the army anyway? Can we change the title of this thread?
A cynic might say that a person who is kidnapped for deserting the army is, in fact, a political prisoner.
Why?
Because deserting the army is a distinctly political statement. In other words, "When I signed up, I was under this belief. Now, I believe that the people who signed me up are, in fact, the enemy that I was trying to fight. I am, therefore, unwilling to fight for them anymore, and in fact consider them to be my enemy." It doesn't get much more political than that. I find it hard to believe that his 9/11 stance and his desertion of the army are unrelated situations.
I find Error's "contract obligation" nonsense laughable (though I won't ding your karma for it. ;) ) If we were in NAZI Germany, would a person have an obligation to continue burning Jews in ovens until the Fuhrer graciously let him out of his "contract". Give me a break! How much evil does someone have to ask you to do before you are justified in breaking your contract with that person to do whatever they say? Can a person sign a contract obligating himself to do immoral things? Or is such a contract, by its very nature, null and void from the outset. I think the answer is obvious.
As much as I believe agreements should be followed, every person has a higher duty to honor the equal rights of others. The accidental killing of even a single innocent person in a 'war zone' is evil. No agreement can rightfully require you to violate the rights of liberty and life of another person.
Furthermore, even though the paperwork requires a person to be at the beck and call of the prez, it is abundantly clear through the gov't propaganda that the military is supposed to be for national defense. That is a verbal, and sometimes written promise, it is just not a formal contract. When it becomes clear that the gov't has broken its word about the purpose of the military, it is the same as a broken contract. At that point the one who has kept his end of the bargain, now has the freedom to violate it.
Quote from: Caleb on July 27, 2007, 10:26 PM NHFT
Because deserting the army is a distinctly political statement. In other words, "When I signed up, I was under this belief. Now, I believe that the people who signed me up are, in fact, the enemy that I was trying to fight. I am, therefore, unwilling to fight for them anymore, and in fact consider them to be my enemy." It doesn't get much more political than that. I find it hard to believe that his 9/11 stance and his desertion of the army are unrelated situations.
And that's one of several reasons why the military is mostly not prosecuting deserters. You'll notice they haven't done much of anything with Korey Rowe. Hell, they LET HIM GO.
Quote from: error on July 27, 2007, 03:18 PM NHFT
Because if he signed a contract to enter military "service," then I want to know if he's the sort of person who breaks his contracts, or if it's the government screwing up again. I don't like it when people break their contracts.
I personally think the proper thing to do if you're on active duty when you suddenly realize the evil of what you're doing is to find a way to get the military to release you from the contract, rather than trying to run away from your obligations. Since there are a bunch of ways to do this, it wouldn't be very hard.
In signing that contract he also took an oath:
QuoteI, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I think there would be conflict between the oath taken by an enlisted person and the way the military is currently being run.