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Manchester Business Traces Spent Ammo

Started by alohamonkey, October 04, 2007, 12:46 PM NHFT

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Spencer

Quote from: alohamonkey on October 04, 2007, 12:46 PM NHFT


Tracing casings, closing cases

By TRENT SPINER
Union Leader Correspondent
11 hours, 55 minutes ago

"As a gun owner myself, as an NRA member, I look at the 99 percent of us that buy guns and don't commit heinous acts who get demonized by that small fraction who illegally get firearms and commit murders," said Todd Lizotte, who co-invented "micro stamping" technology with Orest Ohar. "What has really pushed us along was listening to people who have been affected by gun violence, especially gang-related gun violence."

He said the technology will not affect anyone except criminals.

Lizotte said in a large number of shooting cases, the only evidence left behind is a bullet casing. Even if police could not determine the actual shooter in the crime, they would be able to track where the gun came from and how it ended up in a criminal's hands.

First, notice that he is not a GOA member, rather he is a member of the NRA, which believes that we should disarm any veteran who has ever sought psychological or psychiatric help.

Second, he believes that 99% of gun owners should be subjected to intrusions into their privacy and right to be left alone because of a bad 1%; this is not cost-efficient, let alone morally right, but he does have a product that he wants to sell, so screw right and wrong.  I wish he'd go into some honest business like pornography or bootlegging.

Third, he invokes the standard line of all "law and order" types: you have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.  Claiming that the technology would affect only criminals is wrong: it will affect anyone who wants to buy a newly-manufactured gun.  It would also affect anyone who wanted to sell a gun because the original owner's name and information would be tied to the branding, meaning that a law-abiding gun owner will be the erroneous target of an investigation 10 years from now (8 years after selling the gun, which is later stolen from the second purchaser, then passed through numerous criminal hands) in which he is the only suspect and must prove his innocence to the government.

Finally, if it is a real gun crime, then a slug is left behind in the victim; a slug is much better evidence than a shell-casing, which could just as easily have fallen out of some reloader's pocket on his way into the 7-11 after a day at the range and minutes before it is robbed by someone else using a different gun.

KBCraig

The comments are good, and mostly quite knowledgeable. The inventor continues to be an apologist, seemingly believing that the police are always right and good and honest.

John C

Quote from: sandm000 on October 05, 2007, 07:32 PM NHFT
You mean by picking up a handful of their spent brass and then dropping it at a crime scene?

Yes, that thought is scary.
What about at ranges. Someone could pick up handfulls of brass.
Multiple shooters?

mvpel

Maybe someone will sprinkle an assortment of spent shell casings around the vicinity of this business one of these days.

Not that I would condone littering, or anything like that.

Spencer

Quote from: mvpel on October 07, 2007, 10:45 AM NHFT
Maybe someone will sprinkle an assortment of spent shell casings around the vicinity of this business one of these days.

Not that I would condone littering, or anything like that.

Maybe with the company's initials scratched onto them?

Not that I would condone it either.

grasshopper

Kali passed this monstrocity because in a sence, "where Cali goes, the country follows".
   This crap would add around 250 dollars to the cost of a firearm.  All I'd have to do is turn a new firing pin or replace the barrel ::)
   Nope, this is an attempt to screw with the gun companies.

dalebert

Quote from: john c on October 05, 2007, 06:55 PM NHFT
What a way to frame someone. >:D

My FIRST thought when I heard it. I started thinking if I ever plan to murder someone, I'll grab some spent casings at the range and drop them at the crime scene in place of mine. Send police on a wild goose chase and waste some tax-payer money; maybe even get an innocent person charged with my crime! Woo hoo!

OK, on second thought, that's not funny at all. If I use the range a lot, I'm more likely to be the one framed.  :-\

Someone should put that in a movie or a Law and Order episode or something.