Student Tasered in Front of John Kerry

[Russell Kanning]

What a weasel. A real man (meaning one who doesn't keep his 'boys' locked in his campaign manager's safe) would have stepped off the stage and demanded that the arrest stop right now!

you are right

[alohamonkey]

So being annoying in today's america means that the police tackle and taser you.  Lovely.

Apparently Kat, having an ugly lawn means that the police can throw you on the ground and handcuff you too:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/19/lawn.dispute.ap/index.html

Bloodied 70-year-old woman cuffed for having a brown lawn:
Great-grandmother charged with resisting arrest
 
OREM, Utah (AP) -- A 70-year-old woman arrested in a dispute over her brown lawn pleaded not guilty Tuesday, then stood by as a Los Angeles lawyer waved handcuffs for the cameras outside court.

Betty Perry is charged with resisting arrest and failing to maintain her landscaping, both misdemeanors.

She was arrested July 6 after failing to give her name to a police officer who visited her home.

During a struggle, Perry fell and injured her nose. She spent more than an hour in a holding cell before police released her.

"I ask the citizens of Orem: How many of you would like to have your great-grandmother taken from her home with bruises and blood and placed in handcuffs for failing to water her lawn?" attorney Gloria Allred said.

"Let's bring sanity back to law enforcement," she said.

The mayor and City Council apologized, and the police department said the situation could have been handled differently. But the city attorney still is pressing charges, and Perry is due back in court next month.

A state investigation found that Officer James Flygare acted properly in arresting Perry after trying to get her to cooperate.

Perry's water had been turned off for about nine months, at her request, although she was living at the house at the time of the arrest. Orem has a shutoff policy for people who are away for extended periods.

[alohamonkey]

When somebody starts aggravating you or trying to provoke you, you just let it go and try to end the confrontation peacefully.  The police tend to do just the opposite, so sometimes they pay a heavy stupid-tax imposed by Darwin.  Life's tough all around.

Amen to that!  Instead of trying to dissolve conflicts . . . police are routinely escalating them more and more. 

[alohamonkey]

Braddogg, do you condone tasering a student for exercising his right to freedom of speech?  At most, the student was rude and disrespectful . . . being rude and disrespectful hardly warrants 50,000 - 100,0000 volts of electricity being sent through his body.   

[lildog]

I still haven't had a chance to see the whole video online yet and the news last night only showed bits of the whole thing with the reporter talking over it so I couldn't hear any of the sounds.

One question I have is did they say anything to him like "your time is up" or "You can only ask 1 question"?  From what I'm seeing they immediately started with telling him he had to leave.

[mvpel]

Braddogg, do you condone tasering a student for exercising his right to freedom of speech?  At most, the student was rude and disrespectful . . . being rude and disrespectful hardly warrants 50,000 - 100,0000 volts of electricity being sent through his body.

Why do you have to lie to make your point?

Neither I nor Braddogg condones tasering a student for exercising his freedom of speech, nor tasering for being rude and disrespectful.

He wasn't tasered for "freedom of speech," or for being rude, he was tasered for refusing to comply with the instructions and demands of the police officers who had decided to remove him from the venue.  Those instructions and demands  might have been bullshit, their decision to remove him might have been bullshit, but that doesn't change the fact that his refusal to comply is why he was tasered.

If the cops lay hands on you, they're going to bring the situation to a conclusion one way or another.  They are the clenched fist inside the mailed glove of the law.  They are the "force" in "enFORCEment."

Pulling away and running away from them and screaming at them and struggling as they attempt to take you into custody, justifiably or not, is like waving a juicy steak in front of a pit bull, and you shouldn't be too stunned when you get bitten on the butt.

[alohamonkey]

Braddogg, do you condone tasering a student for exercising his right to freedom of speech?  At most, the student was rude and disrespectful . . . being rude and disrespectful hardly warrants 50,000 - 100,0000 volts of electricity being sent through his body.

Why do you have to lie to make your point?

Neither I nor Braddogg condones tasering a student for exercising his freedom of speech, nor tasering for being rude and disrespectful.

He wasn't tasered for "freedom of speech," or for being rude, he was tasered for refusing to comply with the instructions and demands of the police officers who had decided to remove him from the venue.  Those instructions and demands  might have been bullshit, their decision to remove him might have been bullshit, but that doesn't change the fact that his refusal to comply is why he was tasered.

If the cops lay hands on you, they're going to bring the situation to a conclusion one way or another.  They are the clenched fist inside the mailed glove of the law.  They are the "force" in "enFORCEment."

Pulling away and running away from them and screaming at them and struggling as they attempt to take you into custody, justifiably or not, is like waving a juicy steak in front of a pit bull, and you shouldn't be too stunned when you get bitten on the butt.

Soooooo, I would assume your solution would be to bow down and be led around by the high and mighty enFORCEers?!

Don't ask, don't question . . . just obey.  That seems to be the norm for most of the populace nowadays 

[alohamonkey]

oh . . . and . . . giving in and succumbing to bullshit instructions and demands just further encourages the enFORCErs that they are moral, just, and right for issuing those bullshit instructions and demands.  it gives them more power and takes away more power from you . . . the person who obeys without question. 

[alohamonkey]

Braddogg, do you condone tasering a student for exercising his right to freedom of speech?  At most, the student was rude and disrespectful . . . being rude and disrespectful hardly warrants 50,000 - 100,0000 volts of electricity being sent through his body.

Why do you have to lie to make your point?

I didn't lie.  I asked a question.

[Bald Eagle]

He wasn't tasered for "freedom of speech," or for being rude, he was tasered for refusing to comply with the instructions and demands of the police officers who had decided to remove him from the venue.  Those instructions and demands  might have been bullshit, their decision to remove him might have been bullshit, but that doesn't change the fact that his refusal to comply is why he was tasered.

Yah. So much for civil disobedience.
I don't understand why so many people preach the religion of obedience and fail to resist the corrupting influence of the evil of inaction.

The Founders would have shot them all.  It's a pity somebody didn't.

Kerry is a spineless sniveling loser.  If he were a STATESMAN he could have stopped the whole thing and restored order, but he's just a sleazy politician.  I don't buy the BS that he didn't know the kid was tasered.  I've been around plenty of stun guns and tasers, and you can generally hear them across an entire 1000-table gun show, or inside a building is they are fired outside.  Plus the kid was creaming that he'd been tasered.

Help me, Please help me!  And everyone just stood around and DID NOTHING.  That what most of America will do when they come drag you off to a secret tribunal, a detention center at an undisclosed location, or to a delousing chamber and then the oven.

RattyDog - yeah that was a good video.  I'm glad that SOME of the students there did something about it, though I suspect an awful lot of them have a heavy socialist bent, jusdging by my extensive experience on college campuses with activist groups and the CHE t-shirt I saw one kid wearing.  I wish Neal Conner the best of luck in reaching then with the message of Liberty.

[Lex]

The kid was not FORCED to attend the event, he did so on his own accord. There was a protocol at the event on asking questions. At a minimum not using explicite language I'm sure was one of those rules and he broke that protocol. I think he knew perfectly well what he was doing and he probably guessed what the consequences would be. I wouldn't put it past that kid to have planned this whole thing out to get it on video and show what cops are capable of doing.

We can argue about this all day but in the end i think he knew exactly what he was doing and he succeeded in doing it. The kid won and the cops lost. They were predictably brutal, etc.

[CNHT]

So being annoying in today's america means that the police tackle and taser you.  Lovely.

Well have to 'taser' (change smite to taser?) braddog when he rambles on and on about nonsense on here then I guess. LOL

[Braddogg]

Braddogg, do you condone tasering a student for exercising his right to freedom of speech?  At most, the student was rude and disrespectful . . . being rude and disrespectful hardly warrants 50,000 - 100,0000 volts of electricity being sent through his body.   

Your freedom of speech does not include the freedom to rant wherever you want.

The taser was not punitive.  It wasn't, "You're talking too long, ZAAAAAAP."

And what about the fact that the kid (according to the report by the police) immediately calmed down once the cameras were gone, then started the act back up once he was in public?  As I said in my initial post, it all reeks of performance art.

[Braddogg]

So being annoying in today's america means that the police tackle and taser you.  Lovely.

Well have to 'taser' (change smite to taser?) braddog when he rambles on and on about nonsense on here then I guess. LOL

  Difference is, if Kat asked me to leave, I wouldn't keep ranting.  You wouldn't have to taser me to get me off these forums.

[CNHT]

I agree with KB. Had I been the one standing on the stage I would have told the cops to lay off for a minute and let me answer the question...
I have seen that done before when someone was approached.
I am sure Kerry gets that Skull and Bones question a lot...the cops may have thought it was weird because they have no clue there really is a club by that name so they might have thought the kid was tripping on drugs or something.