FBI entrapment specialist outed - Here's his picture

[coffeeseven]

Spread this picture far and wide if you are so inclined. Since I'm in Rockford, IL this story has special importance to me.

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/12/burned-meet-william-chrisman-fbi.html

[J’raxis 270145]

He belongs on here: http://www.whosarat.com/.

[coffeeseven]

He belongs on here: http://www.whosarat.com/.

I agree 'cept for the fact that they charge money to add an informant's picture and profile. I'm not against anyone making a living but this is life and death serious. Those who profit from it are whores in my book.

[J’raxis 270145]

He belongs on here: http://www.whosarat.com/.

I agree 'cept for the fact that they charge money to add an informant's picture and profile. I'm not against anyone making a living but this is life and death serious. Those who profit from it are whores in my book.

Yeah, I was going to go add him myself but then realized they make you pay to do so. So I posted the suggestion here, so if anyone who has an account on their site wanders in, they can post it.

[srqrebel]

He belongs on here: http://www.whosarat.com/.

I agree 'cept for the fact that they charge money to add an informant's picture and profile. I'm not against anyone making a living but this is life and death serious. Those who profit from it are whores in my book.

No, they charge for site membership.  From what I can tell, once you are a member, they don't charge for viewing or adding a profile:

Due to the Tremendous amount of Information contained on this website and the Exorbitant amount of bandwidth needed and other operating costs, we are forced to charge a small membership fee, Members are allowed to View All Information and Post New Information, including access to the Informant Profiles, Agent Profiles, Message Board, Important Case Law, Top Secret Documents, Latest News, the Refer a Lawyer section and all of our recommended links. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Coffeeseven, if you think others should make "life and death serious" services available to us at no charge, perhaps this is an excellent opportunity for you to lead by example.

Would it have been better if the folks who make this site available simply didn't bother to make it available at all?  After all, it is their prerogative.

TANSTAAFL.  Same goes for services -- and the more valuable the service, the more the proprietor is entitled to charge.  Calling others whores for not sacrificing their resources to the greater good sounds an awful lot like socialism to me.

[David]

Just a thought...If the privacy buffs surrounding Ed Brown had been slightly less private, and allowed and encouraged pictures of all, (including the fed spy, dutch) would he have been taken down? 

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to make money from an information service. Indeed, such services cannot exist without a steady stream of income.

[J’raxis 270145]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to make money from an information service. Indeed, such services cannot exist without a steady stream of income.

It's not the "making money" part that's bothering people, specifically; it's the "charging for access" method therefor. They could try to make money off of it through the typical, and much more successful, online method such as ads.

[coffeeseven]

Coffeeseven, if you think others should make "life and death serious" services available to us at no charge, perhaps this is an excellent opportunity for you to lead by example.

We've never met so there's no use in personal attacks. I do everything for free. I give my support, my time and my dollars. I haven't charged for anything "freedom related" in years. I think of it more of a brotherhood than an opportunity to make money. I sell coffee but no one's life depends on it or I'd give that away for free too.

Would it have been better if the folks who make this site available simply didn't bother to make it available at all?  After all, it is their prerogative.

Of course it's up to them. What's the point in saying that?

TANSTAAFL.  Same goes for services -- and the more valuable the service, the more the proprietor is entitled to charge.  Calling others whores for not sacrificing their resources to the greater good sounds an awful lot like socialism to me.

Philanthropy is not Socialism. I wasn't talking about the greater good, I'm not that global. I was only talking about the more and more of us that are about to get fuckered by the man let alone the huge number that already have. Have you not figured out that our government has declared war on us? This "I know who's going to arrest/jail/torture/kill you but you'll have to pay me first" makes him a whore in my opinion. Did I really have to say that?

As far as a site membership fee v. reading/posting fee what does it matter what he says he charging for? I wouldn't spend money on the site just because I wanted to look at the log in page. Semantics. He knows what he's selling.

[coffeeseven]

Just a thought...If the privacy buffs surrounding Ed Brown had been slightly less private, and allowed and encouraged pictures of all, (including the fed spy, dutch) would he have been taken down? 

It's a point.

[srqrebel]

...I do everything for free. I give my support, my time and my dollars. I haven't charged for anything "freedom related" in years. I think of it more of a brotherhood than an opportunity to make money. I sell coffee but no one's life depends on it or I'd give that away for free too.

It is great that you avail yourself to the freedom community, whether for free or not.  Making your services available for free can certainly accomplish more for freedom than inaction can.

The thing is, applying hard-nosed, profit oriented business principles to your freedom related services, A) gives you a steady income stream with which to substantially increase the amount of good you can do, and B) gives you a clear indication of just how valuable your services are -- and where you need to focus on improvement.

Charging for services is by itself no indication of opportunistic behavior.  How the profits are applied, is. 

Put it another way: You mention that if people's lives depended on your coffee, you would give it away for free, too.  Yet, do the math for yourself: How long would you be able to continue supplying the life-giving coffee if you did so?  Would it not do a whole lot more good to make it available at a price, so you can continue to supply your customers who depend on you to be there for them?  And, would it not make sense to charge what the market bears, so you can apply those honorably earned profits toward reaching an ever increasing number of people with your life-saving coffee?

In order to achieve maximum results (whether in terms of freedom, or otherwise), one needs resources.  Profit builds those resources.  Philanthropy depletes them.

[coffeeseven]

srqrebel you invite me to lead by example and give things away for free. When I point out that I do you find fault with it. Damned if I do and damned if I don't. 

The thing is, applying hard-nosed, profit oriented business principles to your freedom related services, A) gives you a steady income stream with which to substantially increase the amount of good you can do, and B) gives you a clear indication of just how valuable your services are -- and where you need to focus on improvement.

This is an academic argument and you've thrown a wide net. We're not talking about opening a 7-11.

To be specific - I'm guessing the guys and gals in prison for little of nothing could just about give a care about developing income streams to determine the value of exposing the real criminals in our midst.

[srqrebel]

srqrebel you invite me to lead by example and give things away for free. When I point out that I do you find fault with it. Damned if I do and damned if I don't. 

I was wrong to assume that you would be so presumptious as to advocate something you are not willing to do.  Obviously you practice what you preach.

My objection revolves around your unfounded attack on someone who is doing a good job of providing a much needed service -- for doing the very thing that maximizes their effectiveness.

I could care less whether you charge for services or not -- or even whether you provide any at all.  Those are your prerogatives, and I respect that.

The thing is, applying hard-nosed, profit oriented business principles to your freedom related services, A) gives you a steady income stream with which to substantially increase the amount of good you can do, and B) gives you a clear indication of just how valuable your services are -- and where you need to focus on improvement.

This is an academic argument and you've thrown a wide net. We're not talking about opening a 7-11.

To be specific - I'm guessing the guys and gals in prison for little of nothing could just about give a care about developing income streams to determine the value of exposing the real criminals in our midst.

While I could care less what you do, if I were in prison I would be just as aware as ever of the far greater effectiveness of profit oriented operations over philanthropic ones.  Whether others can see that or not, has no bearing on the validity of it.

Whether you are selling a few surplus veggies out of your backyard, or operating a multi-million dollar venture, the same natural laws apply.

When it's your resources, apply them any way you like.  Just please don't go calling other freedom activists "whores" for doing the very thing that maximizes their effectiveness.

[coffeeseven]

When it's your resources, apply them any way you like.  Just please don't go calling other freedom activists "whores" for doing the very thing that maximizes their effectiveness.

My last post on this thread - For someone who accuses others of being Socialist you seem plenty ready to tell others what they can and can't say. Anyway thanks for your opinions. Like Voltaire said I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. +1 all 'round.