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Parking Tickets and the “Consent of the Governed”

Started by FTL_Ian, March 01, 2008, 02:55 PM NHFT

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FTL_Ian

http://freekeene.com/2008/03/01/parking-tickets-and-the-consent-of-the-governed/

There's been a theory floating around America for the past couple hundred years suggesting that government people gain their power and legitimacy via the "consent of the governed". As I understand it, in the world of Legal Land, it is commonly held that silence is tantamount to consent. In that, if the government people demand something of you and you either comply or say nothing that you are consenting to their rule over you.

Some of us liberty activists say that that is absurd. We say that the reason people comply is not because they consent but because they are frightened of violent government people hurting them, their family, or taking away their property.

Perhaps it's not an either-or situation. While it is true that most people comply with government people's demands due to fear of violence, it is also true that if enough people withdrew their consent and therefore their compliance, government people would no longer have their precious legitimacy.

The question becomes, how will the government people respond when people start withdrawing their consent? Will they behave as the theory suggests and respect each sovereign individual's choice to live their life how he wants? (As long as he is not harming others, of course.) Or, will they reveal themselves as violent, antisocial thugs?

With that in mind, I have decided to test the consent theory. I will start simple, with the issue of parking tickets but eventually would like to move on to other, more pressing issues such as gambling and drug prohibition and even property taxes. I doubt I will be very effective alone, so I invite you to join the fun. Perhaps we can get our freedom back!

Earlier this week I received a $5 parking ticket for not feeding the meter as I went to check my mailbox in downtown Keene, NH. Thanks to the help of Rich Angell at Sovereign Solutions, I crafted a letter to the Keene Police Department Parking Bureau:

QuoteNOTICE OF DISCUSSION

    February 28, 2008

    KEENE POLICE DEPARTMENT
    BUREAU OF PARKING
    400 Marlboro Street
    Keene, NH 03431-4336

    To Whom it May Concern,

    I am writing in acknowledgement of the receipt of a "CITY OF KEENE PARKING TICKET" # 60220797, regarding a Subaru, Florida Tag XXXXXX, issued on the 26th of February 2008 at 11:37, demanding the amount of $5.

    It is not my intention now, nor has it ever been my intention to defraud anyone. If in fact, I owe such an amount to your agency, I will pay it.

    To prove that I am, in fact, bound to such an obligation, please provide the following:

    • Evidence of the valid, original contract with my signature binding me to said obligation.

    Unless I receive evidence as noted above within ten business days of the receipt of this response (03/13/08), I shall assume that there is no contractual authority for your agency to demand such a "fine" and that I am not obligated to pay any "fine", with no legal repercussions for any perceived "failure" to do so.

    For your convenience and as a show of good faith I am including a prepaid return envelope so as to make your response as simple as possible.

    Please note that any correspondence is subject to being posted on the blog at FreeKeene.com

    Sincerely,
    Ian Bernard
    (my address)

So, if I have actually consented, then they certainly will have no trouble finding evidence of that. Of course, I have not consented. In fact, at the time I registered to vote here in New Hampshire, there was a paragraph that said:

QuoteIn declaring New Hampshire as my domicile, I am subject to the laws of the State of New Hampshire which apply to all residents, including laws requiring me to register my motor vehicles and apply for a New Hampshire's driver's license within 60 days of becoming a resident.

Prior to signing my voter's registration I made certain to cross this paragraph out and initial it. How could I possibly agree to it? I don't know what all of the laws are in New Hampshire, nor do I care or have enough time to bother reading them. The Attorney Genital's office even sent someone to investigate me for crossing it out. I told him the same thing. I am not dangerous and will not do harm to others, but I do not consent to be governed by anyone but myself.

How will the parking bureaucrats respond to my letter? Only time will tell. Stay tuned to FreeKeene.com for the latest!

Kat Kanning


FTL_Ian

You never need to ask... I don't believe in intellectual property. 

So, the answer will always be yes!


Russell Kanning

I was listening to you guys talk about this the other day .... about how the city of Keene doesn't even break even on the parking enforcement

these are the little things, but it does make sense to stand up to them on this issue ... and let them know about it, since the thugs consider silence to be consent. :) I guess that is why they tell us to keep quiet. ;)


I wonder what they ever did about Manning's uturn ticket and nonconsent.

FTL_Ian

I saw Dave a few weeks ago... apparently nothing has happened.   8)

Tom Sawyer


srqrebel

Just curious... if you did not consent to their terms, which I am sure you were fully aware of, then why did you park in one of their parking spaces?  There are other, non-metered options available in downtown Keene.

Free libertarian

...a little off topic, but the other day I was driving the speed limit in Danbury heading towards Bristol and in a double yellow line section I was passed by a Grafton County Sheriff car...no blinker, no siren, no apparent emergency. Looked like he was transporting a prisoner. I sooo wanted to speed up and give him a ticket...citizens arrest and all that stuff, but my stylish wheels don't go very fast and I lost him  and my nerve to follow thru !

FTL_Ian

Quote from: srqrebel on March 01, 2008, 05:33 PM NHFT
Just curious... if you did not consent to their terms, which I am sure you were fully aware of, then why did you park in one of their parking spaces?  There are other, non-metered options available in downtown Keene.

Because the spaces aren't theirs anymore than the bicycle a thief steals from you is "his"!

srqrebel

Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 01, 2008, 06:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: srqrebel on March 01, 2008, 05:33 PM NHFT
Just curious... if you did not consent to their terms, which I am sure you were fully aware of, then why did you park in one of their parking spaces?  There are other, non-metered options available in downtown Keene.

Because the spaces aren't theirs anymore than the bicycle a thief steals from you is "his"!

Good answer.

kola


MTPorcupine3

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Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 01, 2008, 02:55 PM NHFT
Prior to signing my voter's registration I made certain to cross this paragraph out and initial it. How could I possibly agree to it? I don't know what all of the laws are in New Hampshire, nor do I care or have enough time to bother reading them. The Attorney Genital's office even sent someone to investigate me for crossing it out. I told him the same thing. I am not dangerous and will not do harm to others, but I do not consent to be governed by anyone but myself.

I enjoyed a good chuckle when you first said this on your show. I did the same thing. In fact, it took me about 45 minutes to cross out every objectionable word or phrase and doctor the applicate to declare myself a Citizen inhabitant and become a voter qualified elector of for the State Republic of New Hampshire. And I made sure to write in, above my signature seal "All my God-given Rights reserved."

The difference is that no one came to investigate me. In fact, I was told there was a "problem" with my application that needed to be taken care of before I voted. The morning of the election, I found that the "problem" stemmed from the fact that the "c/o" before the physical street location was taken for a "40" and some other minor confusion, both of which were very quickly cleared up.

I look forward to seeing how your parking challenge turns out.

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: MTPorcupine3 on March 01, 2008, 07:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 01, 2008, 02:55 PM NHFT
Prior to signing my voter's registration I made certain to cross this paragraph out and initial it. How could I possibly agree to it? I don't know what all of the laws are in New Hampshire, nor do I care or have enough time to bother reading them. The Attorney Genital's office even sent someone to investigate me for crossing it out. I told him the same thing. I am not dangerous and will not do harm to others, but I do not consent to be governed by anyone but myself.

I enjoyed a good chuckle when you first said this on your show. I did the same thing. In fact, it took me about 45 minutes to cross out every objectionable word or phrase and doctor the applicate to declare myself a Citizen inhabitant and become a voter qualified elector of for the State Republic of New Hampshire. And I made sure to write in, above my signature seal "All my God-given Rights reserved."

The difference is that no one came to investigate me. In fact, I was told there was a "problem" with my application that needed to be taken care of before I voted. The morning of the election, I found that the "problem" stemmed from the fact that the "c/o" before the physical street location was taken for a "40" and some other minor confusion, both of which were very quickly cleared up.

I look forward to seeing how your parking challenge turns out.

What's the objection to the term Citizen? I've always interpreted that to carry more weight over other terms; it implies you have recognized rights whereas inhabitant or resident doesn't really.

grolled

Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 01, 2008, 06:46 PM NHFT
Quote from: srqrebel on March 01, 2008, 05:33 PM NHFT
Just curious... if you did not consent to their terms, which I am sure you were fully aware of, then why did you park in one of their parking spaces?  There are other, non-metered options available in downtown Keene.

Because the spaces aren't theirs anymore than the bicycle a thief steals from you is "his"!

Whose spaces are they?