European move to NH

[ArvinJA]

Is there a plan to get Europeans to NH?
I'm from Sweden myself, currently living in California with my mom, who's a researcher, I've got a Visa.

I would be VERY interested in moving to NH, especially the Keene area, but there seems to be no way to do that at the moment.
A green card is hard to get and so on, so it's not really a possibility right now to get Europeans to NH.
But I really think there has to be a long term plan to get people from all over the world to NH, the FSP is still young and might be seen as unproven, but in the future when the FSP has really proven itself there is going to be people all over the world that wants to move, this could greatly increase the possibilities for porcupines to make a change in their life.

One plan would be to get people in illegally and use a "black market" for porcs, the Agorist way (I'm not an Agorist, but I do see the Marketplace as a tool in the battle against slavery), this would be a lot more troublesome than having a couch on your lawn, and the europeans wouldn't be able to participate in civil disobedience because of the threat of being deported, so not really a good way of doing things.

Is it impossible for Europeans to participate in the FSP? Can a REAL plan be created?
How can these fantasy borders ignored?

[ArvinJA]

The whole thing is bullshit. You'll be more free in South America. The American government is unstoppable and it seems to only grown exponentially.

Kill yourself then? I'm going to be a freed individual with no government to destroy my life, if you are not willing to fight for your freedom, then why be alive at all?

[ArvinJA]

The whole thing is bullshit. You'll be more free in South America. The American government is unstoppable and it seems to only grown exponentially.

Kill yourself then? I'm going to be a freed individual with no government to destroy my life, if you are not willing to fight for your freedom, then why be alive at all?

Becaaaaaaaaaaause you can still enjoy all the little freedoms left in this world. When one is dead, or in jail, that aspect is not possible.

I'm starting to wonder if that's a myth, what can one do in a system where everything is as it should not be, this is socialism SPARTA!
And it's not even funny...

[ArvinJA]

The whole thing is bullshit. You'll be more free in South America. The American government is unstoppable and it seems to only grown exponentially.

Kill yourself then? I'm going to be a freed individual with no government to destroy my life, if you are not willing to fight for your freedom, then why be alive at all?

Becaaaaaaaaaaause you can still enjoy all the little freedoms left in this world. When one is dead, or in jail, that aspect is not possible.

I'm starting to wonder if that's a myth, what can one do in a system where everything is as it should not be, this is socialism SPARTA!
And it's not even funny...

The problem is in the people. In the U.S., a majority of them don't care to be free. Everyone has their pet issue, but no one cares about ethics or has any respect for personal property.

Yeah, Government is the real law of the jungle, but we do not have to accept it, we must free ourselves from it, if they don't want their freedom, let them be slaves! We're going to be free, but we have to fight for it (peacefully)!

[David]

Your heart is in the right place.  You would be welcomed by the many open borders advocates in NH, but the gov't is a whole different thing.  The USA gov't is very unfriendly and hostile to immigrants. 
Some of our South American friends can get by for years, decades even, before they run into trouble.  There is an estimated 12 million undocumented people in this country.  It would be difficult as an activist to remain out of the gov't radar. 
I hope you find a way.   

[AnarchoJesse]

Best I can say is that you'd need to fall off the radar if you did come here. To me it seems like the only real option.

[doobie]

Don't live on my tax dollar, which should be in my pockets anyway and I have no problem with you coming if you are freedom loving individual..

[oscar_swede]

Is it impossible for Europeans to participate in the FSP? Can a REAL plan be created?
How can these fantasy borders ignored?

No, it's not impossible. It's not easy but there are different options.

One is to find an American citizen to marry. If you have a combined income of 25% above the poverty line, you can then get an immediate family Visa.

Another is to find a job (will require good education, relocation within a company as a specialist or executive or other special reasons) For executive, I think there is a 7 year limit on extensions, for others 5 years, but there are ways around that.

The third is to enter the green card diversity lottery. Swedes actually have a fairly good chance of winning from what I understand as there are quite many slots for Swedes and fairly few applicants (who'd want to move away from Socialist Paradise^TM, right?).

/O - Swede in NH

[Dave Ridley]

nah i dont think the u.s. is all that immigrant-hostile

altho it has begun trending that way

[ArvinJA]

Is it impossible for Europeans to participate in the FSP? Can a REAL plan be created?
How can these fantasy borders ignored?

No, it's not impossible. It's not easy but there are different options.

One is to find an American citizen to marry. If you have a combined income of 25% above the poverty line, you can then get an immediate family Visa.

Another is to find a job (will require good education, relocation within a company as a specialist or executive or other special reasons) For executive, I think there is a 7 year limit on extensions, for others 5 years, but there are ways around that.

The third is to enter the green card diversity lottery. Swedes actually have a fairly good chance of winning from what I understand as there are quite many slots for Swedes and fairly few applicants (who'd want to move away from Socialist Paradise^TM, right?).

/O - Swede in NH

Well, I can't move to the USA permanently in the next 3 years because of my J2 status, if I do not get a waiver by the Swedish AND American government, the chance of that is zero since I will not even apply for it.  But after those three years I would have an education comparable (I think) to a 2-year college program. Still nowhere academic enough to take that route, and since I think academia is just "intellectual" socialist indoctrination I do not think I will continue putting myself through it, but since I'm very computer savvy I might educate myself academically in programming (even though I don't really need formal education to do that). The thing is, I could probably do most normal IT jobs right now, without further education.I have 3 hours of "Tech Office" a day at my High School and I'm pretty much more knowledgeable than the employed guy I'm working with and he's no dummy (shockingly, since it's a school after all). OK... maybe this is all boring, but use it as an example of how hard it is for an ordinary anarcho-capitalist to move to NH from Europe.

The other thing is Marriage, I would think that most Swedish libertarians are geeks, and while geeks (especially adult ones) have no problem getting women, they might not be looking to do it. Now I'm speaking for the Swedes and not Europe as a whole, but 99% of Libertarians in Sweden are geeks, I would guess it's the same all over Europe since being a geek leads to more information about everything, and with more information comes Libertarianism.
So although marriage is not impossible, it's certainly hard for Europeans.

Finding a job, well that is untested for me, I'm right now able to get part-time jobs for a low salary just maintaining websites, and I actually had one, but I quit instantly since I thought it was  waste of time (checking if servers are up and if websites are up and reporting issues / trying to fix issues is a waste with my knowledge). Other that I guess I could freelance and make a decent buck, enough for surviving on my own either way.
But speaking for the Swedes again most Swedish Libertarians seem to be students at universities, which is great if they're educating themselves in subjects which are valued by American Universities or Employers. So that might be a way in for (Swedish) Libertarians and (unlikely, but hey, you never know) for me.

The Green Card Lottery, this really seems like a decent way for, at least Swedes to get in, not only will one be able to stay in the USA, one will have a Green Card as well, and with a green card there's a possibility of getting citizenship later on, and from what I've heard, when you're IN it's easy to find jobs on talent and climbing your way up. This might be the easiest way in, and I will try it! I will get my friends to do so as well!

Oh, BTW, I'm 16 ATM, and right now, moving to NH is one of my life goals. But hey, I'm 16, things might change, even though I wouldn't bet on that.

I still think that in the future there needs to be a bigger plan to make it easy for Europeans to move to NH, hopefully in the future I will be there with you and together we can make it easier for all humans taking responsibility for their own lives to buy property where they want to buy property.