9-11 was an inside job

[stitcherman]

Yeah, you forgot utterly incompetent.

everything is going as planned for the people who gw work for .

farenheight 911 is a great example of that propoganda wants to portray that this messed up world is because of incompetence. HELLO !

[stitcherman]

It's funny that none of the anti-truthers from FTL ever chime in here on this post. They stay over at the BBS where they feel more at home. I have negative Karma over there (like I care) for just discussing the topic even though I'm a plat amplifier. Clearly the moderator over there is a hater. There's just too many teenagers over there that are so impressionable that they'll ride Ian's coattails on anything. And of course, it takes lots of time to sift through all the relevent info. What's even more funny is that they call anyone that peruses Jones' sites asshats. I mean Bush and co. could admit to wrong-doing and these juveniles still wouldn't believe it. When I move to NH this year, I think I'll be done with the FTL BBS.

P.S. as another example of these chumps immaturity, they'll hijack 9-11 truth threads and start chatting about cocks, assholes, who's gay and who isn't. These crybabies aren't the type of freedom folks that I want to work with. It's hard to apply the Zero-Aggress-Princ to annoying lowlifes like them

everyone learns the truth at there own pace. unfortunatly our society teaches simplness and simple judgment calls that are kept as fact; and the door to learn more is closed for decades; if not a lifetime.
  unfortunatley the american trained mind is to make a judgment and hold a perspective on whatever subject and never take another objective look at it again.  like their ego is involved to admit they were wrong.
 

[ladyattis]

It's only the fearful and the weak that seek a complex cause to a simple problem. -- Me.

-- Bridget

[stitcherman]

  let the "trolls" give this a fresh review.

why "COMPLAIN" ?
 

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[SAK]

I'm in 0% denial of the truth of 9/11

I accept as fact with absolutely no doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.  This is after years of study and research.  It's not a conclusion that's easy to come to or quick to come to.  It takes some time for it to really "set in."


I'm offering my support for a solution to the problem by acknowledging the problem.

[erisian]

"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity" ...or something like that. 

One problem with the application of that axiom in this case is the overwhelming evidence of preexisting malice.
See:http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf [page 51] "...absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." for example,
or:http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm signed by Elliott Abrams, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, I. Lewis Libby, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, among others.

Then there are the many unanswered questions about policy violations and other actions which seem insensible if no malice existed. One of my personal favorites is the flight of Air Force One from Florida.

Air Force One was located within less than 30 minutes flying time (including scramble) from one of the few Air Force bases on the east coast with actual "alert birds", Homestead AFB.

When the order was given to clear US airspace, all commercial and civilian flights were ordered to proceed to the nearest appropriate airfield, not to their intended destinations. The immediate result of this stupid order was that almost every commercial flight in the air was now off its flight path, and air traffic control in US commercial airspace was reduced to near chaos. So now, after at least three known hijackings, the "land ASAP" order had eliminated the single best method of identifying a hijacked airliner, since all of them were now off their flight paths.

Then, in the midst of the worst air traffic control crisis in the history of US aviation, the decision was made to put Air Force One in the air with no fighter escort, even though one was readily available, and even though there were an unknown number of unidentifiable and potentially hostile hijacked airliners still in the air over the US, any of which might be intending to attempt a midair collision with Air Force One.

If this was all done by stupidity, I have to give credit where it's due; it was truly world class stupidity. If, on the other hand, malice was involved, it makes perfect sense. They knew it was safe to fly Air Force One, because they knew where the dangerous aircraft were in the midst of the chaos.

Troublesome little details like that just make you wonder, don't they?

[jaqeboy]

Their whole goal is to enslave you .... if you refuse ... they cannot win.

I agree 100% about their goal to enslave me but what ways can I refuse?  That's what I want to do but I don't understand how, maybe I'm so used to having a certain mind-set and I want to break free from it but what actions do I take?

Sorry I didn't join this thread earlier - The whole idea of the Alternatives Expo that we're putting on (during the NH Liberty Forum coming up) is to offer a chance to get these questions answered by a bunch of folks already in New Hampshire. Check out http://www.altexpo.org - we're loading up our schedule with a lot of really interesting stuff. The only reason we won't have more, because they're all out there, is due to the short time schedule this was put together in. I hope you'll check out the program sessions. The Second Life guys may even broadcast them in Second Life for people who aren't in attendance.

[jaqeboy]

I'm in 0% denial of the truth of 9/11

I accept as fact with absolutely no doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.  This is after years of study and research.  It's not a conclusion that's easy to come to or quick to come to.  It takes some time for it to really "set in."

I'm offering my support for a solution to the problem by acknowledging the problem.

You've got to come hear Steve Goodale of Western Mass 911 Truth present at the Alt Expo (http://www.altexpo.org/). His talk is titled: "Fast Train Out of La-La-Land: A Brief History of Information Warfare, Mind Control and Synthetic Terror & Explanations of Why 9/11 and Our War On Terror Have Succeeded to Date"

Here's the program list, still being updated a couple of times a day: http://www.altexpo.org/programs.htm

[Insurgent]

I'm going to bring along a bunch of videos pertaining to the events of 9/11 to the expo, as well as the book which has proven to be the authority on the subject: "Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil" written by Michael C. Ruppert. http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubicon-Decline-American-Empire/dp/0865715408/sr=8-1/qid=1171342322/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9051422-0181221?ie=UTF8&s=books

Likewise I haven't gotten engaged in to this topic, largely because of the enormity of the thread  and my only recent move to NH and getting involved on the forum.

[jaqeboy]

BTW, one of the 9-11 Truth filmmakers, Michael Berger, is touring New England in April and help is needed to organize his appearance in Concord and Nashua, if anyone's interested. He'll also be in Keene, but that one is all set up, I think.

I'll post the other info I've got on it later, but here's what I remember:
Michael Berger is the filmmaker of "Improbable Collapse; The Demolition of our Republic" - he's the media director of 911Truth.org. Jonathan Mark of flybynews.com in Western Mass. is organizing the N.E. tour - Jonathan will be at the AltExpo in Concord Saturday the 24th if anyone wants to talk to him about helping organize and promote this.

Michael Berger will be going to Keene, Concord (still needs organizing), Dover, Nashua (still needs organizing) and Wilton in N.H., Amherst and elsewhere in Mass, Burlington and elsewhere in Vermont, and Hartford, Connecticut on his New England tour.

[SAK]

Ordo ab Chao

Order out of chaos.  The way to bring a malicious "order" (as if any social order isn't malicious) is by creating chaos.  The social engineers do this all the time.  The worse things get with welfare programs, utilitarian laws, disarmament, centralization, etc, the better things are for the "reformers."  Constant unrest in society means job security for the politicians!

If you don't think the federal government is malicious, look at how they handle ANY crisis.  Katrina, anyone?  I guess holding trucks and boats filled with food/water for relief back at GUN POINT is standard operating procedure for FEMA?  Cutting all the communication lines and power lines helps things too, right?

That's OK, just bring in the national guard, the army, and even the Mexican military!  Then disarm everyone, pack them into stadiums, and call it a day.


Anyhow, the "foreign attackers" ploy is as old as dirt.  They used to do it in Egypt when the people would start to see through the pharaohs.  Right before the people were ready to revolt, attackers (mercenaries) would come in from elsewhere, fight, lose, and leave.  The sure way to get support of your people, no matter HOW bad you are to them, is to give them a foreign enemy that threatens them.  A threat from an outside force instantly unifies people and throws their support behind their leader.

These operations are also known as "false flag" operations.  It's like attacking your own ship with another one of your ships, but flying the flag of another country.  The U.S. has done this 1000 times now.  Look up the USS Liberty -- attacked by our own allies, and was going to be used to go to war with the arabs.  Our own president, LBJ at the time, said he wanted that ship SUNK.  Hours and hours the attack lasted, and the jets that had been sent out from a nearby carrier were CALLED BACK IN by the president.  The commander of the carrier was FREAKING OUT.  They wanted that ship gone, and they wanted to blame it on Egypt or some other country to have reason for war.

Terrorism has been used all over the world to scare the population into giving up rights.  It has also been used to sustain political unrest.  Guess who's responsible for a lot (probably the majority) of the attacks?  The intelligence agencies worldwide.  We (USA) started Al Qaeda -- which was named after an intelligence database we ran (interestingly enough, it also sounds like "I'm going to go take a shit" in Arabic).  Nice name for a big bad terrorist organization.

Who do you think was behind the countless revolutions of South American countries?  African and Middle-Eastern countries?  You guessed it -- US.  We've been killing people all over the world for over a century.  Do you honestly think the people who make these decisions -- the people that are supposed to serve us -- value our lives anymore than they value the lives of the victims in other countries?  You don't think they're willing to sacrifice a few of us for "the greater good?"

It would sure seem that we want to take out Iran now.  We had a boner for Iraq for the longest time, and came up with the perfect "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit to go in there.  It looks like Iran will be next.  But what if the American people don't want another crazy war?  What if we don't support this policy?  Simple, there will be yet another convenient terrorist attack. Perhaps a nuke will go off in one of our cities, and it'll be blamed on Iran.

Terrorism accomplishes nothing.  You need perhaps only 2 brain cells to understand that attacking America is the most stupid thing in the world -- it's a quick ticket to getting your entire country razed.  Terror attacks don't take land, they don't take valuables, they capture nothing.  They guarantee only that you're going to get fucked -- especially if it's the U.S. that you attack.  Terrorism is actually quite unnatural.  It's only real purpose is to control a population with FEAR.  And guess what, no Arab expects to accomplish this.  A lot of people in power sure do.

If you can't see "both" parties and almost everyone in the major positions in our government ALL pushing us towards a one world government -- international government -- then perhaps your eyes will never be opened.  The true enemies of this country are domestic.  You can't even call them traitors because they were NEVER on our side.  They were recruited, commissioned, and promoted because of their loyalties which lie elsewhere.

I haven't been able to understand how so many people can so easily attribute evil to other cultures, races, ethnicities, religions, and the like.  Do you honestly think other human beings are different for these reasons?  The truth is that most human beings are the same -- good.  They wish no harm on others, nor wish to take from others.  They want to live their lives, be left in peace, raise a family, etc.  Most of humanity shares these values -- I believe they are inherent to humans -- if not all, then the vast vast vast majority.  However, there exists a tiny minority of deviants.  These people wish to victimize others and take that which does not belong to them.  They take pleasure from manipulation, coercion, and trickery.  They exist in every race and supposed creed.  Many of them resolve to work together and have been doing so generation after generation.  These types of people try to keep us fighting with one another over stupid things.  While we are fighting one another, they conquer us.

Well, I could go on forever.  I can't fight a lifetime of propaganda and programming.  Hopefully more will awake from the deep sleep.

[error]

I hope you will awaken, too, and stop accusing us of being any part of, or worse, complicit in the actions of the U.S. government.

[SAK]

I was just reading about a guy named Dan Wallace.  He died recently -- at the end of last month.  He was 23 years old and died mysteriously in his sleep -- no health problems or anything before that.  It is said he died of a heart attack.


His dad was killed in the attacks, and he began researching into it.  He became out of the most outspoken activists for the truth movement.  He was the ONLY direct family member of a victim that was outspoken in the truth movement.  Apparently he just finished a 9/11 documentary film on the attacks as well.


This is all the info I have.  He's certainly not the first 9/11 truth activist to die in a weird way.  I guess with all the 23 year olds dying of heart attacks these days, you just never know 

[Insurgent]

Sometimes when a nail pops up, it has to be pounded back down again.

[Kat Kanning]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/260207building7.htm

BBC reported Building 7 collapse 20 mins before it collapses, and with it standing in the background of her report.