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Vehicle Registration Protest Idea

Started by JuryRigged, July 04, 2009, 06:03 PM NHFT

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JuryRigged

For those that don't know, I'm one of the residents of Lil Minnesota in Deerfield.

Completely coincidental that today is July 4th, I had an idea today while considering that the vehicle registration fees were being demanded of me this month, and could use some help from someone better-versed to pull it off.

I've been arrested and had my truck towed once for suspended license (shortly after I moved) and at this point cannot afford to have it happen again, as I do have stable work currently.  So, when I inevitably go to pay the extortion, I've decided I would like to place a sheet of paper in front of the town clerk, where the clerk would have to sign that they understand that I am making this payment under duress, that I view it as extortion, etc etc.

I'm not sure of the wording that would be involved, though, and would greatly appreciate any help creating such a document, which could naturally be used by any other interested parties in a position similar to myself.

David

bigmike

They'll likely not sign it because they don't have to.

Although it won't help with the fine, I've been thinking that it may be possible to eliminate the impound fees by negotiating a deal with the towing companies to waive their fees in exchange for local Free Staters recommending their services whenever another Free Stater needs a tow.

You may have to throw the driver a $20 to compensate for his effort, but if we could give these companies enough business to offset their loss of state revenue for impounding our vehicles it may be plausible.

JuryRigged

I know it's a bit negative, but I would be surprised to see anything be more lucrative to a tow service than their deal with the state.  It cost me over 200$ for a day and a half (it's 2 days, of course) after my truck was towed the first time.  That's not including the towing fee itself.

To add to my earlier thoughts, I called in to Free Talk Live on Saturday (the 4th,) and I would love for this activity to be recorded, as well.

Humorrhoid

David ,

You're not alone. My licence was suspended too for any reason I don't even know. The DMV just decided that my privilege to drive
is canned. Ipaid thefine & I thought that was it, after that,I was even arrested for a bench warrant 3x,whatever that is for.

Itwas last April since this have been going on. At this point
my expenses to this crp is nearly 10K ,the emotional toll of not being
able to drive is more detrimental.
These days in Nashua the cops are after everybody's tail. So just to warn everybody that if it is not necessary to ride a car its better for the bicycle.

Take it easy...everybody knows what we are up against.

Just laugh at their arss.

John Edward Mercier

You do realize you can be ticketed on a bicycle?

TackleTheWorld

#5
I acknowledge repciept of $___ into the machinery of the state. I also acknowledge that the state does frequently and vigorously fine people who cannot pay it's demands.  The machine daily steals vehicles from people, endangering their careers.  They often kidnap poor people, tearing them from their families.  They routinely threaten peaceful and productive people with these punishments if they do not pay.  I hereby admit that I am a cog in said machine of thoughtless destruction and unjust punishment.

Tom Sawyer

Quote from: bigmike on July 04, 2009, 09:39 PM NHFT
They'll likely not sign it because they don't have to.


You could consider writing your statement on a check.

John Edward Mercier

It would have to fit... and the recipient still does not sign it. Though I guess cashing it would account for notification of receipt the same as 'paid in full' does.

This is one of those hard areas to demise. In areas that I have travelled of low, or for the most part no, government collective... there doesn't tend to be 'roads' in any sense. Simply open areas that are not claimed privately. With pretty much no restrictions outside of physical limitations as to the use.

And if the roads were to be privatized, I would surmise that some payment for usage would be actualized...
Sort of like the Mt. Washington Auto road.

I'm not sure what the answer is.

KBCraig

Quote from: John Edward Mercier on July 06, 2009, 01:22 PM NHFT
And if the roads were to be privatized, I would surmise that some payment for usage would be actualized...
Sort of like the Mt. Washington Auto road.

There are multiple solutions when it comes to privatizing roads.

Some roads will have a flat toll. Others will have a ton/mile toll. Some will be supported by advertising. Streets would have their cost included in the sale price of houses. Others will be free, because they lead where the owners want you to go (shopping malls, etc.)

violence

Quote from: KBCraig on July 06, 2009, 02:49 PM NHFT
Quote from: John Edward Mercier on July 06, 2009, 01:22 PM NHFT
And if the roads were to be privatized, I would surmise that some payment for usage would be actualized...
Sort of like the Mt. Washington Auto road.
Others will be free, because they lead where the owners want you to go (shopping malls, etc.)


exactly, most places don't charge to use their parking lot... they want you to come there. charging you to drive up a road to their store is going to make you go somewhere else.

roads should be just there, no one owns them, if you want to pave it up to your business and make it nice for people go ahead.

Pat McCotter

There is also the "internet model." Major road owners charge a connection fee to feeder road owners and/or possibly a per vehicle fee entering/exiting the road at those connections.

John Edward Mercier

Most 'roads' in NH were developed privately with the cost included in the property price... the one time 'cost' does not cover lifetime maintenance.

As for business wishing for you to travel to them... the places I've been don't have any road maintenance, and I never noticed a lack of goods/services. Nor what Americans would reference as 'roads'... its simply a travel way that is what it is.

NH has something like this that are referred to as Class VI highways (roads)... but the municipalities place restrictions on their use. And the State requires registration for their usage.

KBCraig


JuryRigged

To address the "Whomever won't sign, because they won't have to" situation, I have decided the bare minimum I will do (with or without some document to sign, and whether or not it is signed) is to write "Under Duress" in the Note section of a check. 

As regards "road maintenance," as someone mentioned, there may be a charge necessary to maintain the roads.  This is not a bill for road maintenance, it is a registration fee for my vehicle.  While I would still have issues with the system/state and its functions, I would have far fewer issues if I received an itemized receipt.  The 'bill' I received reads (in short:) State Fees: $xx.xx, Town Fees: $xx.xx

John Edward Mercier

I'm sure the DOS has something they could offer you as to the State portion.
For the town portion you should be able to get the information from the town clerk, on what revenues from vehicle registrations were... and what the municipal road maintenance expense is.