So my mother got rear-ended today, driver had no insurance, wanted to leave.

[UOGSammich]

Sigh, thanks for the tips. Goodluck w/ the freestate, i'll still keep up with the Ridleyreport via youtube, but I obviously do not belong here.

[KBCraig]

Seriously?

1. The "criminal", as you call her, was also a victim of the teenager who rear-ended her. She didn't cause the accident.
2. Your mother has full coverage (including uninsured/underinsured motorist, I assume), as she should. Relying on the motorist insurance of someone who causes an accident, is like relying on the health insurance of someone who sneezes in a crowded elevator.
3. Thanks for finally pointing out that this occurred in Alabama. It didn't make sense at first, because NH doesn't require insurance, so I couldn't understand why she wanted to bolt over that issue.
4. You listed four victimless charges for her "prior criminal record": two counts of being caught driving without insurance, one count of driving with expired tags (pretty hard to renew tags without proof of insurance, when you can't get insurance because you've twice been caught driving without), and one count of obtaining a controlled substance (oooooh! Boogieman!)

This woman, who might very well have created all the hardships in her personal life, is now in jail because she was literally caught in the middle of a situation not of her making.

Congrats, you got a repeat criminal off the streets. 

[Free libertarian]

 While I'm sure you're concerned about your mom, the person who wanted to leave could reasonably say that they had never caused anybody harm concerning the charges you listed anyway.  Where's the
victim(s) and who caused all of this?

   

[Lloyd Danforth]

A your mother is an adult, I don't understand why you didn't just stay out of it.

[Ogre]

And if your mother has full coverage insurance, she, and especially you, will have absolutely no say in the matter. When she signed the insurance papers, she gave the insurance company lawyers permission to make deals and arrangements on her behalf. The insurance company will likely pay for the damages and then go after the other person on their own, if they think they can get any money out of them. If you have a particularly nice insurance company, they will give you the option of going after the person who caused the accident on your own, or they'll do it for you.

[AntonLee]

those aren't real crimes you listed.  What's the big deal?  If you were blocking traffic in front of my car you would have gotten "peacefully" moved by my masshole bred sailor's mouth and perhaps even had some other angry motorists joining in.

If you're in an accident, get the fuck off the road.  Why needlessly sit in a travel lane impeding everyone else's day? 

I wouldn't have left, but it was wrong of you to assume that this woman is some sort of insane criminal because she decided that she shouldn't have to have insurance.  Give me a break.  If she pays her bills when she gets in accidents, then so be it, issue solved. 

She had kids with her too?  So having mommy arrested because some other idiot smacked into her is fine and dandy to you?

You should be so proud.   

[K. Darien Freeheart]

My advice would be to protect your property and drive like you assume nobody has insurance. Accidents happen sometimes, so she shouldn't get so pissed about them. Everytime your car is on the road, it's at risk of being damaged or worse, damaging other people or their property.

Come to find out my mother was still on the phone with 911

I would suggest to your mother that she never, ever, under any circumstances unless her very life is in danger, call the cops.

I would also suggest that you stop trying to be a baddass with implications of violence on this forum:

As soon as I got the information on where she was I was off, adding just another number to the count of how many times I have scolded myself for not getting my CCP already.

[AntonLee]

I agree, what were you going to do with that piece of paper hmmm?

[UOGSammich]

My advice would be to protect your property and drive like you assume nobody has insurance. Accidents happen sometimes, so she shouldn't get so pissed about them. Everytime your car is on the road, it's at risk of being damaged or worse, damaging other people or their property.

Come to find out my mother was still on the phone with 911

I would suggest to your mother that she never, ever, under any circumstances unless her very life is in danger, call the cops.

While I agree, someone would have had to chase this lady if she would have decided to free. In addition, whos to know she will give the correct information

I would also suggest that you stop trying to be a baddass with implications of violence on this forum:

As soon as I got the information on where she was I was off, adding just another number to the count of how many times I have scolded myself for not getting my CCP already.

I regret leaving the house without my ccp every time I do so, don't assume I am a violent person.



Im not going to address responses any further, it seems that some of you didn't bother to read the entire post, or didnt understand it fully. These kids were not hers, like I said above, the mother came and got them.

For those who did, thanks.

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ok guys, thanks for the tips. Booking today on mobileiso.com has her listed for a Grand theft auto while out on bail now... I suspect she just "borrowed" her mothers car, but regardless Its been less than 24 hours.

In addition my mother has been in contact with this girls mother, but I guess since you consider it a victimless crime to drive without insurance, I won't be finding any help or legal advice here, how you see this as irresponsible I have no idea. I guess we are just supposed to hope that everyone drives around with full coverage?


I'd be glad to put my foot down for a pointless no u-turn sign, or even speed limit that was ridiculously low. And without question I will stand in the face of unconstitutional laws. But when it comes to insurance over the well being of others I think thats where I put my foot down. With that said it still appears that I am in the wrong place.


Obviously if she would have been properly spaced between vehicles she would not have been pushed into my mothers car, theres no need to debate that, or the law.(ofcourse if you want to go protest it, but we cant wait until there is an accident to do so) Sure i'll admit my report may seem a little ballsy, and I personally would not call the cops, but lets take in the fact that I have written a speech and outline for a paper for two different college classes in the last week. So lengthy writings tend to turn into books for me.

In addition what should one do when they have been rear ended, and the person has fled the scene? Well I can't call the cops... I guess i'll just let the damage to my car and possibly self go, and assume that person was justified in fleeing the incident.

It must not be irresponsible to smoke methamphetamine in a house full of children either. Words from her mother, this is why she was kicked out.

So goodluck with your freestate, I wish you only the best.

[K. Darien Freeheart]

I guess since you consider it a victimless crime to drive without insurance

Yes, we do. I'm personally VERY proud that New Hampshire does NOT require it. Not only is it a victimless, in NH, it's not even a crime!

[AntonLee]

if you want to throw people in jail for not having insurance. . .then do it.  . but don't make me pay for it.  I suggest you don't do it and go find a hobby.

[KBCraig]

I want to know what the "proper distance" is for sitting at a stop light, so that you won't be knocked into another car when hit from behind.

Then I'd like to know how your mother (or her insurance company) is going to be compensated for the damages by someone who is locked up and unable to work.

[dalebert]

It's very simplistic to look at one anecdotal incident and see the impact on one person and come to a conclusion that forcing people to get insurance is a good thing. This is much like the broken window fallacy of economics. You are considering potential gains without considering downsides, and a big one is passing laws that impact innocent people. The truth is NH is not in a death spiral of traffic accident financial disaster due to not having that law. On the whole, it seems fine.

You're for instance not taking into consideration all the innocent people out there who are perhaps driving more carefully and having fewer accidents because they know they don't have insurance. Maybe they can't afford it for whatever reason. You're not taking into consideration that insurance rates are cheaper for everyone here because it's not required. That's obvious economic benefit. You're not taking into consideration that some innocent person who's never harmed anyone and perhaps has never even caused an accident might get pulled over and slapped with a hefty fine, maybe lose driving rights or even go to jail because some authoritarian who wants to control other people wanted to get knee-jerk with intrusive nanny-state laws.

Hit & run is not a victimless crime, but driving without insurance shouldn't be a crime at all.

[thinkliberty]

It's very simplistic to look at one anecdotal incident and see the impact on one person and come to a conclusion that forcing people to get insurance is a good thing. This is much like the broken window fallacy of economics. You are considering potential gains without considering downsides, and a big one is passing laws that impact innocent people. The truth is NH is not in a death spiral of traffic accident financial disaster due to not having that law. On the whole, it seems fine.

You're for instance not taking into consideration all the innocent people out there who are perhaps driving more carefully and having fewer accidents because they know they don't have insurance. Maybe they can't afford it for whatever reason. You're not taking into consideration that insurance rates are cheaper for everyone here because it's not required. That's obvious economic benefit. You're not taking into consideration that some innocent person who's never harmed anyone and perhaps has never even caused an accident might get pulled over and slapped with a hefty fine, maybe lose driving rights or even go to jail because some authoritarian who wants to control other people wanted to get knee-jerk with intrusive nanny-state laws.

Hit & run is not a victimless crime, but driving without insurance shouldn't be a crime at all.

<sarcasm>
Poor people will be able to drive, if all drivers are not forced to buy insurance! Poor people should not drive in america!

We need every reason possible to put poor people in jail. So we can make money on them in for-profit prisons as a cheap source of labor!
</sarcasm>

[geoff]

I kind of feel like this guy got to much shit coming down on him for this post. I think he wrote it in a, somewhat aggressive manor mentioning the ccp and all, and everything else everyone pointed out, but I really understand about that particular point. I can't get a ccp/cwp in NJ, but I still carry, b/c you don't know when you'll need it, and better to get caught with one than caught without one. I just think that instead of being so accusatory or jumping on this guy so hard about this, that maybe it could have been used to help guide someone down the path of discovering true liberty/freedom, but after this, he has already said he's leaving the forum and not interested in the overall project anymore. That's one more person who is going to have someone mention the FSP to and be like, "Those guys are a bunch of assholes, don't waste your time." It seems like alot of people are too quick to hide behind their internet masks and jump down someone's throat for not being principled enough, when maybe they are just discovering the ideals. Why not use it as an opportunity to help/guide somebody instead of applying foot too ass?