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420 protests and the medical marijuana override

Started by Rocketman, October 04, 2009, 02:36 PM NHFT

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Rocketman

Okay, Rocketman is back on NHFree to make a few comments...

I am not, as some might expect, going to scream and yell and issue a cease-and-desist order.  I am just going to state a few facts, and I'm going to make two simple requests.

(1) The patients who have been advocating all year for HB 648 are furious that this is happening, considering that the final vote on the medical marijuana bill is coming up Oct. 28.  Some want to come down and get in your faces, and some probably will if you don't stop.  Interesting choice of enemies, isn't it?

(2) Thousands of man-hours and many thousands of dollars have been spent in NH this year to try and pass a law that would protect these patients.  Unlike the 420 protesters, many of these people are elderly and don't have access to marijuana. 

(3) I recognize that some people here don't give a shit if the bill passes or fails... that they've said as much... that in fact, some people here actually want activists like me to fail, so new activists will not be attracted to inside-the-system activism.

(4) I also recognize that some of the 420 protesters had no idea their efforts might interfere with the medical marijuana effort, and that they are truly sorry.  (It's okay guys, I don't blame you for getting caught up in the publicity wave.)

(5) Some of you might insist that these protests have no relevance to the medical marijuana effort.  Well, perception is everything in politics, and here's the perception that made its way into today's Union-Leader:

Quotehttp://unionleader.com/columns.aspx/Opinion?channel=7c9a9ec6-5e82-421b-bbe7-a01f2b796103
One wild card for the day is the marijuana bill, not so much for how it will turn out, but who will turn out. Since the veto, the center of Keene went into a blue haze over the past couple of weeks over a proposed local decriminalization ordinance. A lot of the people passing the pipe in Keene are students who could easily decide to visit Concord on Oct. 28 just to make a point.

Cancer patients and their families who backed the bill are a dedicated lot who have been on hand for key votes before, and are angry over the veto and could also turn out.

MY REQUESTS:

(1) If you continue to smoke pot and celebrate recreational pot use in public between now and Oct. 28, please don't ever speak to me again as if you are my friend, and please un-friend me if you are my Facebook friend.  I can respect individuals with differing ideologies and different strategies for achieving liberty, but if you don't have any respect for what these patients are fighting for (i.e. their lives), then you are just an asshole.  After Oct. 28, do whatever you think makes sense. 

(Again, this is not a cease-and-desist order -- I just want to know who my friends are.)

(2) There will be a rally at the state house Oct. 28 for patients, legislators, and supporters.  If anybody tries to hijack this event with a mixed message, that person will be crowned "Asshole of the Year."

K. Darien Freeheart

QuoteThousands of man-hours and many thousands of dollars have been spent in NH this year to try and pass a law that would protect these patients.

Sounds to me like you've spent a lot of time and a lot of money to still be dependent on the will of others.

In Keene, they just smoked and the police said they'd not arrest anybody unless called. That's just as much protection (and granted, just as arbitrary) as scribbling some words on paper even if you call it an RSA.

Rocketman

It's all been said before, Kevin, but maybe this hasn't: You are an asshole.

Rocketman

To explain why I called Kevin an asshole...

This bill is NOT about me.  I know this is hard for some people to wrap their heads around, but the point of this particular activism is to HELP OTHER PEOPLE, people who are not as mentally liberated as you are, people who will suffer from severe pain and/or nausea until this law passes. 

K. Darien Freeheart

QuoteThis bill is NOT about me.  I know this is hard for some people to wrap their heads around, but the point of this particular activism is to HELP OTHER PEOPLE, people who are not as mentally liberated as you are, people who will suffer from severe pain and/or nausea until this law passes.

While you misdirect your anger towards me, you forget that I'm not locking peaceful people in jail cells because some dumbass bureaucrats scribbled words on paper.

The system you are using perpetuates violence, it requires aggression to MERELY exist. Yet you delude yourself into believing it can be an effective means towards liberty. Rather than taking a look at the reality, you're trying to persuade violence control freaks NOT to control people, and swearing off felating their sadism you find any excuse you can to cling to that will make it seem other people made your impossible task fail.

If I kept begging for more freedom and failing, I'd probably go around calling people assholes merely because they're living their lives differently than me.

Luckily, I've stopped begging.

Rocketman

QuoteIf I kept begging for more freedom and failing, I'd probably go around calling people assholes merely because they're living their lives differently than me.

You sure do seem to have a lot invested in my failure.

I don't beg; I persuade.  Takes more than a few minutes sometimes, but it does work.  If you ever want to be truly free, you will have to convince your neighbors to respect your liberty, and I don't think being a jerk is the way to convince anybody of anything.

Kat Kanning

And your post about the circle jerk was meant to convince and respect liberty?  Wow.

Rocketman

When Mike Fisher buffed your nails for a dollar, Kat, I totally supported him in that.  There was an actual strategy involved, not a bunch of goofballs running amok.

K. Darien Freeheart

QuoteYou sure do seem to have a lot invested in my failure.

1.) I find it fun to play with trolls.
2.) I am more motivated to post my ideas for those who come after rather than the person I'm duscussing with.

Rocketman

Liberty is for everybody, not just people who hate the government.  I do want to draw a line in the sand between people who care about making the world a better place for all (except unretrainable bureaucrats) by increasing liberty for all, and people who only care about themselves, nobody else.  I am tired of being associated in any way with people who do not care one bit about the liberty of others, and I want to know who those people are so I can avoid them.

I like anarchocapitalists.  I read their books.  But some of you people have crossed the line and become anarcho-whackitalists!

AntonLee

sorry that my smoking of marijuana has caused such problems for all the elderly people in your dreamworld.

hint:  perhaps you should direct your anger towards those who are actually harming others. 

Kat Kanning

Quote from: Rocketman on October 04, 2009, 05:06 PM NHFT
I don't think being a jerk is the way to convince anybody of anything.

You're sure doing a lot of good "convincing."

Rocketman

Quote from: Kat Kanning on October 04, 2009, 06:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: Rocketman on October 04, 2009, 05:06 PM NHFT
I don't think being a jerk is the way to convince anybody of anything.

You're sure doing a lot of good "convincing."

I can't reason with people who refuse to be reasoned with.  There's a weird irony in the fact that I often find legislators more willing to listen to different ideas than many free staters.  I'm no longer interested in being polite to people who build an entire political philosophy based on their own egotism.  I don't mean you, Kat, because I have always believed that you are a thoughtful person who cares about the liberty and well-being of others.  Anton and Kevin, based on their comments, are pure egotists, and I want nothing to do with such people.

Quote from: AntonLee on October 04, 2009, 06:02 PM NHFT
sorry that my smoking of marijuana has caused such problems for all the elderly people in your dreamworld.

hint:  perhaps you should direct your anger towards those who are actually harming others. 

I have enough anger to go around.  You are my political enemy right along with Governor Lynch and former AG Kelly Ayotte.  The difference is that you ought to know better.

MengerFan

Consider me an asshole as well. I'm not really interested in dealing with anyone who spends his time harassing folks for going about their business as well as coddling other folks who refuse to go about their business unless it has been written on paper by old people.

Rocketman

Quote from: MengerFan on October 04, 2009, 06:50 PM NHFT
Consider me an asshole as well. I'm not really interested in dealing with anyone who spends his time harassing folks for going about their business as well as coddling other folks who refuse to go about their business unless it has been written on paper by old people.

Will do, MengerFan!  What is your real name so I will know to consider you an asshole in real life instead of just a cyber-asshole?