New idea for civil dis!

[Mike Barskey]

I would be in agreement with you about how ineffective a circle jerk would be. I will ask this though. Would you advocate violence to stop people who insisted on it? Because I wouldn't. The notion of using violence to protect people from being offended seems even more absurd to me than a public circle jerk.

! +1

P.S. Now that he's brought it up, anyone want to have a private one? I'm game.

Hmmm.... thinking...

[Rocketman]

What about smoking tobacco? Were you a fan of public smoking bans? Are you a fan of banning tobacco smoke OUTDOORS as well?

I do not believe government has any right to ban smoking on privately-owned property. 

Why should pot smoke be any different than tobacco? If anything, evidence appears to support that it's far less harmful.

Pot is far less harmful, but people don't realize that just yet, do they? 

I'm all for discussing (to a point) what tactics are effective or not. In the end, there will likely be disagreement. Openly and publicly support what you believe in and openly and publicly withdraw support from what you don't. That's my policy. We're clearly not going to agree about the effectiveness of this tactic.

My policy as well.  That's why I felt a need to draw this particular line in the sand.

I would be in agreement with you about how ineffective a circle jerk would be. I will ask this though. Would you advocate violence to stop people who insisted on it? Because I wouldn't. The notion of using violence to protect people from being offended seems even more absurd to me than a public circle jerk.

In the anarchist society you envision, some holy roller would come along and kill every circle-jerker in town.  There might be a lesson in that, somewhere...

[Rocketman]

I think the definition of "statist" is one who thinks there should be a State, a government to govern people. I think the definition of "minarchist" is one who believes the State should be very small, and the definition of "ultra-minarchist" is one who thinks the government should be very very small. Both variations of "minarchist" think there should be a State, just different sizes. Minarchists are statists.

Are my definitions wrong?

I don't know who coined the term "ultra-minarchist," but a guy by the name of Jason Sorens uses that term to describe his personal philosophy.  I adopted it because I think it's the most accurate term to describe my own views.  I'll be sure to let Jason know he is a statist.  I would rather be a statist like Jason than an anarchist like you, Mike, but regardless, I will continue to work for laws that make you more free whether you like them or not.

[MengerFan]

...laws that make you more free...

{head explodes}

[Rocketman]

Not only are you correct but "minarchist" was coined by an anarchist (SEK III, if I recall) as a derogatory term.

I'd use the term "liberal," but it was co-opted by the socialists a long time ago.

[Mike Barskey]

I don't care if you inform Jason he's a statist. I don't think he'd appreciate it, so why would you go out of your way to tell him something he wouldn't like that has nothing to do with him?

I do hope you continue working for your laws. I often think that the laws minarchists promote do shrink the state (but not always). And I'll continue my activism as well. So, it's just like before, except that you called me names. I'm still a happy person. I'm sorry you're not.

[Rocketman]

...laws that make you more free...

{head explodes}

Yes, in a society where adults are able to buy marijuana from a store and smoke it legally in private, people are more free than in a society where the police arrest 800,000+ marijuana users per year.  If this makes your head explode, maybe you need to fill your head with some less ridiculous ideas.

[AntonLee]

thank god for that law, otherwise the weed wouldn't even grow!

[thinkliberty]

some holy roller would come along and kill every circle-jerker in town.  There might be a lesson in that, somewhere...

Cute another intellectually dishonest straw man argument from the fear mongering statist. 

[dalebert]

In the anarchist society you envision, some holy roller would come along and kill every circle-jerker in town.  There might be a lesson in that, somewhere...

Yes, somewhere in there.

[William Lee]

Not only are you correct but "minarchist" was coined by an anarchist (SEK III, if I recall) as a derogatory term.

I'd use the term "liberal," but it was co-opted by the socialists a long time ago.

Modern liberals don't generally advocate that the worker's own the companies they work for.  That's socialism.  The people who advocate that still call themselves socialist.  Modern liberals generally advocate that government should micromanage those companies instead.  That isn't socialism.  That's the 20th century progressive movement, which is a mild mannered form of fascism.

[Free libertarian]

Not only are you correct but "minarchist" was coined by an anarchist (SEK III, if I recall) as a derogatory term.

!
I'd use the term "liberal," but it was co-opted by the socialists a long time ago.

Modern liberals don't generally advocate that the worker's own the companies they work for.  That's socialism.  The people who advocate that still call themselves socialist.  Modern liberals generally advocate that government should micromanage those companies instead.  That isn't socialism.  That's the 20th century progressive movement, which is a mild mannered form of fascism.

Completely off topic, You're not the Bill Lee that used to pitch for the Red Sox are you, cuz if you are, you stole my roach clip dude

[AntonLee]

Spaceman is on NHFREE?!?  I'm telling everyone 

[William Lee]

Not only are you correct but "minarchist" was coined by an anarchist (SEK III, if I recall) as a derogatory term.

!
I'd use the term "liberal," but it was co-opted by the socialists a long time ago.

Modern liberals don't generally advocate that the worker's own the companies they work for.  That's socialism.  The people who advocate that still call themselves socialist.  Modern liberals generally advocate that government should micromanage those companies instead.  That isn't socialism.  That's the 20th century progressive movement, which is a mild mannered form of fascism.

Completely off topic, You're not the Bill Lee that used to pitch for the Red Sox are you, cuz if you are, you stole my roach clip dude

lol

no, I'm this Bill Lee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch#.22Plot.22_summary

[Keyser Soce]

...laws that make you more free...

{head explodes}

whether you like them or not.