New idea for civil dis!

[Rocketman]

Activists Announce "Circle Jerk for Liberty"

(Keene, NH) – Street rallies have become standard fare in Keene, but things are about to get sticky.  For their newest issue, activists have decided to hold daily gatherings on Keene's Main Street and masturbate in a circle to protest what they say is an unfair law against lewd public behavior. 

"One man's circle-jerk is another man's picnic in the park," commented Keene Resident Wang Doodle, the organizer of what he describes as a leaderless effort to raise public consciousness by challenging outmoded standards of public behavior.  Doodle said the masturbation circle would be welcome to all comers, with 9:30 a.m. being scheduled as the daily start time. 

"There's nothing quite like blowing a great big wad for liberty first thing in the morning," Doodle opined.

Talk show host Laine Manfred, of the nationally syndicated show "Balls-Out Liberty," said the circle-jerk concept could "stick" in other towns as well.  "Some activists choose to differentiate between which freedoms are most critical," he observed.  "However, we just have to understand that tyranny is tyranny, in whatever cruel form it presents itself."

[Rocketman]

Oh, want to clarify... this is in no way meant as a jab at any female who protests laws against going topless... but notice we all are somehow willing to draw the line at genitalia?  Gee, there must be lines... how tyrannical.

[AntonLee]

I thought the circle jerk freedom was handled in Concord.  That big building with the gold on top. . .yeah that's it.  I went there once.  Looked like a lot of people were jerking in it.  People dressed up in suits and pretended that politicans actually cared about being decent and moral.

I'm going to go smoke a bowl now if that's okay with the elderly people and patients.  I'll make sure I lock myself in the closet so that I don't embarass anyone.

lol

[Rocketman]

smoke 'em if you got 'em!

[Rocketman]

My point with this satire was surely lost... I'll explain:

Based on the logic I so often hear coming out of Keene activists, what could possibly be wrong with doing a public circle-jerk?  I mean, as long as you don't soak any innocent bystanders?  Should the evil police be allowed to stop you if you did a circle-jerk in public?  Would they be evil tyrants if they put you in a cage for the night, if you refused to stop?  Would you protest outside the jail for activists who circle-jerked in public and got arrested?

My point is that we are governed in two ways.  We are governed by formal governments, and we can all agree that between 70% and 100% of that governance is illegitimate.  On the other hand, we are also governed by social standards and mores.  Some of these are illegitimate and some aren't.  I for one am not interested in fighting for the right to smoke pot in public, when hundreds of thousands of people are arrested every year for doing it in PRIVATE, where certain activities probably belong. 

[thinkliberty]

Lame strawman argument and ad hominem attacks.

It's intellectually dishonest, something I would expect from a statist.

Unless I misunderstood and  you are saying that you really want to lead a circle jerk in Keene.

[Rocketman]

Yes, Anton, there is a lot of jerking under the golden dome, but I don't believe I have ever seen a legislator's penis.

thinkliberty, the fun thing about satire is that you can make a point without following the rules of formal logic.  Ian has a radio show from which he can encourage dumb ideas for activism -- I have satire.

[thinkliberty]

thinkliberty, the fun thing about satire is that you can make a point without following the rules of formal logic.  Ian has a radio show from which he can encourage dumb ideas for activism -- I have satire.

I have seen Ian actually take part in the activism he encourages. He is intellectually honest about it. -- You should be too, even with your satire.

Unless you are not interested in honest debate between your idea's of using the government to change the laws and the NH underground's civil disobedience crowd.

It might be funny in your circle of statist friends, but it's not funny to me.  You can post that stuff on other message boards, I won't hold it against you.

If you want to ask people to not protest for a few weeks it's interesting to hear the statist point of view, but I will put you on ignore if you continue to post this dishonest crap.

[Rocketman]

Ultra-minarchist, statist, same difference... but yes, I am the one who is being intellectually dishonest. 

[Mike Barskey]

Ultra-minarchist, statist, same difference... but yes, I am the one who is being intellectually dishonest. 

I think the definition of "statist" is one who thinks there should be a State, a government to govern people. I think the definition of "minarchist" is one who believes the State should be very small, and the definition of "ultra-minarchist" is one who thinks the government should be very very small. Both variations of "minarchist" think there should be a State, just different sizes. Minarchists are statists.

Are my definitions wrong?

[Sovereign Curtis]

This is pretty funny, as my definition of a Libertarian circle jerk is a bunch of politicos getting together and telling each other what a great job they've done in the legislature.

[William Lee]

Ultra-minarchist, statist, same difference... but yes, I am the one who is being intellectually dishonest. 

I think the definition of "statist" is one who thinks there should be a State, a government to govern people. I think the definition of "minarchist" is one who believes the State should be very small, and the definition of "ultra-minarchist" is one who thinks the government should be very very small. Both variations of "minarchist" think there should be a State, just different sizes. Minarchists are statists.

Are my definitions wrong?

Not only are you correct but "minarchist" was coined by an anarchist (SEK III, if I recall) as a derogatory term.

[K. Darien Freeheart]

The only issues I have with this event is the existence of public property.

[Free libertarian]

Yes, Anton, there is a lot of jerking under the golden dome, but I don't believe I have ever seen a legislator's penis.

thinkliberty, the fun thing about satire is that you can make a point without following the rules of formal logic.  Ian has a radio show from which he can encourage dumb ideas for activism -- I have satire.

So is the reason that you haven't seen a legislators penis while they are jerking because they are super discrete or um they're just not well endowed?  And how does any of that relate to a "hung jury"? This political stuff can be so nasty sometimes.

[dalebert]

I for one am not interested in fighting for the right to smoke pot in public, when hundreds of thousands of people are arrested every year for doing it in PRIVATE, where certain activities probably belong.

What about smoking tobacco? Were you a fan of public smoking bans? Are you a fan of banning tobacco smoke OUTDOORS as well? Why should pot smoke be any different than tobacco? If anything, evidence appears to support that it's far less harmful.

I'm all for discussing (to a point) what tactics are effective or not. In the end, there will likely be disagreement. Openly and publicly support what you believe in and openly and publicly withdraw support from what you don't. That's my policy. We're clearly not going to agree about the effectiveness of this tactic.

I would be in agreement with you about how ineffective a circle jerk would be. I will ask this though. Would you advocate violence to stop people who insisted on it? Because I wouldn't. The notion of using violence to protect people from being offended seems even more absurd to me than a public circle jerk.

P.S. Now that he's brought it up, anyone want to have a private one? I'm game.