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Google probably knows your wifi password

Started by dalebert, September 13, 2013, 11:05 AM NHFT

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Jim Johnson

That tells me that anyone with the right equipment can know your password.
And it's probably not that hard to get.

dalebert

Quote from: Jim Johnson on September 13, 2013, 02:19 PM NHFT
That tells me that anyone with the right equipment can know your password.
And it's probably not that hard to get.

I don't see how you conclude that. The idea is that people are handing the password over to Google as soon as they put it into an android.

Jim Johnson

Quote from: dalebert on September 13, 2013, 03:18 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on September 13, 2013, 02:19 PM NHFT
That tells me that anyone with the right equipment can know your password.
And it's probably not that hard to get.

I don't see how you conclude that. The idea is that people are handing the password over to Google as soon as they put it into an android.
I'm sorry.  What I meant to say was; What does it matter if Goggle has your WiFi pass word?

dalebert

Quote from: Jim Johnson on September 13, 2013, 04:23 PM NHFT
I'm sorry.  What I meant to say was; What does it matter if Goggle has your WiFi pass word?

Because government agencies can secretly demand they hand it over and easily start eavesdropping on me and see my embarrassing fetish porn.

Jim Johnson

Quote from: dalebert on September 13, 2013, 04:32 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on September 13, 2013, 04:23 PM NHFT
I'm sorry.  What I meant to say was; What does it matter if Goggle has your WiFi pass word?

Because government agencies can secretly demand they hand it over and easily start eavesdropping on me and see my embarrassing fetish porn.

They don't need your password to watch your porn.  If it's on the air they can just catch it or they would go to your internet provider and watch porn there.

Tom Sawyer

The expectation of privacy has been eroded to the point that most no longer even care.

Let's play a game and reverse the roles. How about if the individual grabs classified gooberment info... felony. How about if the individual grabs corporate data... felony.

Google already got caught sniffing with their street view vehicles. We know that the gooberment has already gotten secret access to big tech companies info on us folks. Had backdoors and purposefully weak encryption created by big tech companies.

Day to day impact is probably not great for most folks... but, allowing them to do it and not slapping any hands for it means that we are at their mercy not to abuse people.

Google, Facebook or whoever you want to name of the big tech players will sell your info for 10 cent click throughs... what will they do to stay out of jail or get gooberment contracts etc?


MaineShark

Quote from: Jim Johnson on September 13, 2013, 05:23 PM NHFTThey don't need your password to watch your porn.  If it's on the air they can just catch it...

Not if it's encrypted.  If it's encrypted, they need to catch it, and spend massive amounts of computing power decrypting it.

If they're really certain that you're a terrorist, they can afford that.  If they just want to spy on everyone... they cannot own enough computing power to decrypt everything.

Being able to defeat decryption without having to spend massive amounts of computing power is the problem.  Any shortcut that allows them to defeat encryption without expense is a major step towards total surveillance.  See XKCD