2005 murder rate

[KBCraig]

Today's Union Leader had an article on the 20 homicides that occured in NH in 2005. Two of them were justified shootings, so that makes for 18 murders/manslaughters in a state of 1,300,000 population.

Two of my sons live with their mother in a nice town that directly adjoins a not-so-nice small city in Arkansas. Pine Bluff had 16 murders in 2005, in a city of 22,000.

Lessee:

18/13.0 hundred thousand = 1.38 murders/100k population
16/0.22 hundred thousand = 72.7 murders/100k population

It never gets very cold in Pine Bluff, though. It hardly ever snows.

Just to keep things in perspective. 

Kevin

[cathleeninnh]

Therefor, snow prevents murder!

Works for me.

Cathleen

[Lloyd Danforth]

Doesn't prevent it here in Hartford.

[cathleeninnh]

Our snow is more on top of things!

Cathleen

[Lloyd Danforth]

Good snow!  down boy!

[estoves]

According to swedens crime preventing authority we did have 2 crimes per 100.000 with deadly result in 2004.
Thats a bit strange becuese when newspapers in sweden compare murderstatics in sweden with murders in the US they say that sweden has 0.5 murder per 100.000 and USA has 5 per 100.000.
Maybe thats because in sweden a murder has to be planned before, i dont dont think its count like a murder i someone here shoot a burglar and the burglar dies. Do they count that sort of deaths in your statics?

[Lloyd Danforth]

Ten article kevin referred to, combined murders and two  justified killings.

Murder in the US is unjustified killing of one person by another or others. It does not have to be planned.
Many robbers brandish weapons hoping not to use them, but, if they kill, it is murder.
Planned murders and murders for hire, usually get longer sentences or the death penalty.

[zackbass]

Murder in the US is unjustified killing of one person by another or others. It does not have to be planned.

The solution then is to translate the term "murder" correctly from Swedish to English.  I wonder, what is the political persuasion of the translators?

As WF Buckley has noted, the translators hired by King James caused no end of trouble when they chose to translate "murder" as "kill" in the Ten Commandments... despite the fact that starting a few pages later there were dozens of places where Jehovah told folks to kill other folks, e.g. for MALE homosexual behavior:

Leviticus 20:13
KJB - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death...

Thou shalt kill!

[Russell Kanning]

We might have had one in this area last year. I can't remember.
Normally there is:
Keene 0/23,000 or
County 0/70,000

[Russell Kanning]

....also "manslaughter" can mean various things I would guess.

[AlanM]

....also "manslaughter" can mean various things I would guess.

Manslaughter, is that what the pigs do just before having a human roast?

[Pat K]

Could someone give Zack his meds, please he seems a bit disturbed.

[tracysaboe]

According to swedens crime preventing authority we did have 2 crimes per 100.000 with deadly result in 2004.
Thats a bit strange becuese when newspapers in sweden compare murderstatics in sweden with murders in the US they say that sweden has 0.5 murder per 100.000 and USA has 5 per 100.000.
Maybe thats because in sweden a murder has to be planned before, i dont dont think its count like a murder i someone here shoot a burglar and the burglar dies. Do they count that sort of deaths in your statics?

Sweden's also looking at the entirety of the U.S. which means they're including socialistic police-state hell-hole states in that stat.

Tracy

[burnthebeautiful]

According to swedens crime preventing authority we did have 2 crimes per 100.000 with deadly result in 2004.
Thats a bit strange becuese when newspapers in sweden compare murderstatics in sweden with murders in the US they say that sweden has 0.5 murder per 100.000 and USA has 5 per 100.000.
Maybe thats because in sweden a murder has to be planned before, i dont dont think its count like a murder i someone here shoot a burglar and the burglar dies. Do they count that sort of deaths in your statics?

We do have a thing called "n?dv?rn", which loosely translated means "neccesary violence". If someone is threatening your life it counts as "n?dv?rn" if you use violence against them. In other words, this is the Swedish legal term for self-defense. If you've found to have hurt or killed someone, courts have to decide if they think the violence was in "n?dv?rn" or not.

I know shooting a burglar was just an example, but since you brought up guns... In Sweden legally owned guns have to be kept locked up in a safe that follows all sorts of guidelines. Guns are only supposed to be used for hunting and target practice, you're only allowed to use a gun in self-defense if you can prove you were carrying the gun for a "legitimate purpose". For instance you have to be able to convince a court that you were on your way to the gun-range, or had your gun out for cleaning, when the burglar burst through your front door.

If you use an illegally owned gun in self-defense, you won't be punished for killing the person, but you will be punished for illegal possession of a firearm, which I believe is a 5-year prison sentance.

[KBCraig]

Sweden does have one thing right: automatics (machineguns) are treated just like other guns, and it's cheap and easy to own autos. According to a collector I've spoke with, military surplus submachineguns just aren't very desireable over there, because of the cost of ammunition.

Kevin