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Christianity: was We The People / Aaron Russo video

Started by Atlas, March 25, 2006, 12:50 PM NHFT

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Atlas

March 25, 2006, 12:50 PM NHFT
Ian, you should try to get a link over at the WTP website. This is an audience that you definitely want to attract. But watch the anti-Christian lingo. They seem almost identical with the tenants of the Constitution Party.

FTL_Ian

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March 25, 2006, 04:06 PM NHFT
We're not anti-christian, we just are anti-moral-law-passing christians.

Fluff and Stuff

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March 25, 2006, 04:12 PM NHFT
Quote from: FSP-Rebel on March 25, 2006, 12:50 PM NHFT
Ian, you should try to get a link over at the WTP website. This is an audience that you definitely want to attract. But watch the anti-Christian lingo. They seem almost identical with the tenants of the Constitution Party.

I thought the Constitution Party's main goal is to eliminate more freedom while lowering taxes  ;D

Dreepa

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March 25, 2006, 04:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: FSP-Rebel on March 25, 2006, 12:50 PM NHFT
Ian, you should try to get a link over at the WTP website. This is an audience that you definitely want to attract. But watch the anti-Christian lingo. They seem almost identical with the tenants of the Constitution Party.
You mean they don't like gay people?

Caleb

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March 25, 2006, 05:05 PM NHFT
QuoteWe're not anti-christian, we just are anti-moral-law-passing christians.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, Ian.  Christianity is explicity NON-JUDGMENTAL, by direct edict from the Christ.

However, it isn't possible to seperate Christianity from morality, as Christianity is a morality-embracing religion.

If you mean you don't like judgmental Christians (ie, those who pass judgment on others), then I'll concede the point.  If you mean you don't like Christians who try to use government to enforce morality, then I'll likewise condede the point.

If you mean that you want a Christian to be completely seperated from any sense of morality, then nothing could be more inherently unchristian.

If you mean that you want Christians to shut up about their sense of morality, and trying to show the world the superiority of Christian ethics -- well, we are to be the salt of the earth, the light of the world.

Pat McCotter

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March 25, 2006, 05:46 PM NHFT
How about stop claiming a monopoly on morality?

Caleb

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March 25, 2006, 07:25 PM NHFT
Christianity doesn't claim a monopoly on morality.  Scripture is clear that everyone (believers and unbelievers) is conscious of a moral urge.

"For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them." (Romans 2:14,15)

FrankChodorov

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March 25, 2006, 07:35 PM NHFT
QuoteChristianity doesn't claim a monopoly on morality

the classical liberal claim is that every human has the capacity to act equally moral.

this is represented in the statement "all men are created equal"

Tunga

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March 25, 2006, 08:05 PM NHFT
They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts,- calibaba77

Game, set, match. :)

Pat McCotter

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March 25, 2006, 08:20 PM NHFT
by nature do what the law requires...even though they do not have the law.


"By nature" means that they do "have the law."

Quote from: calibaba77 on March 25, 2006, 07:25 PM NHFT
"For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them." (Romans 2:14,15)

Caleb

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March 25, 2006, 08:38 PM NHFT
Pat,

The Law, in the context of Romans refers to the MOSAIC Law, ie the Law given to the Israelites.  What Paul is saying is that the Law given to Israel was not known, in that form, to many people of the nations, and yet it is clear that that same law is inscribed on their hearts.  In other words, you don't need the Mosaic Law to know the Law - God has put it in the heart of every man, woman, and child.

Thus, for a Christian to claim a monopoly on morality would be a very foolish thing.  And, to be honest, I don't see a lot of Christians making that extraordinary claim.

Caleb

Thespis

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March 25, 2006, 10:06 PM NHFT
Quote from: calibaba77 on March 25, 2006, 05:05 PM NHFTIf you mean you don't like judgmental Christians (ie, those who pass judgment on others), then I'll concede the point.  If you mean you don't like Christians who try to use government to enforce morality, then I'll likewise condede the point.

I've heard the show enough to know that this is what he's referring to.
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