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Abolishing Megan's Law?

Started by Zork, April 25, 2006, 12:57 PM NHFT

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Fluff and Stuff

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Quote from: Zork on April 25, 2006, 07:33 PM NHFT
I acknowledge no such thing.  My crime is of viewing pornography.  Pornography that doesn't even have to be real to be a crime to view!  I am willing to receive punishment, and I shall be receiving it in a few months.  But punishment should not be indefinate.

Viewing a photo or video should never be a crime.  The people that arrested you must be real A-holes.

BTW, you really need to call Free Talk Live and talk about this stuff on air.

KBCraig

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Quote from: Zork on April 25, 2006, 07:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on April 25, 2006, 06:48 PM NHFT
For sex offenders, the period of supervision is lifetime probation. Would you prefer lifetime incarceration?

Why should the period be longer for sex offenders than for violent criminals such as murderers who routinely serve less than a decade?

The last time I checked statistics, murder has the lowest recidivism rate of all violent crimes, because most murders are situational, not pathological. Shouldn't you be arguing for reduced sentences for murderers?


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QuoteBut, someone who "never touched another person inappropriately" acknowledges having done so at least once. Contrition and repentance are important, but they don't end the punishment.

I acknowledge no such thing.

I apologize for misreading your words. I hope you understand how I did so, since you wrote
QuoteI'm not proud of what I did and wish I could go back and stop it from happening, but I never touched another person inappropriately.


QuoteMy crime is of viewing pornography.  Pornography that doesn't even have to be real to be a crime to view!

Well, that narrows it down. The only virtual pornography that is illegal is virtual child porn. Was your child porn virtual, or real?


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QuoteI'd like to see Zork's stats that refute the likelihood of sex offenders to repeat their crimes.

I offer not statistics, but experience.  This isn't to say that all sex offenders are repentant, but all the ones I have met are.  Like any other class of criminal there are those that see the error of their ways, and those who see little if anything wrong with what they did.  The former are unlikely to recommit, while the later nearly always do.

You said you haven't even started your punishment yet, so I hope you'll acknowledge that I have a larger sample basis. I work in a low security federal prison, and our typical caseload includes around 100 child porn offenders at any one time. Most of them are in their 20s, overweight, pasty, geeky-looking fellows who've never had a date. All those I've met say they're repentant, too. Then again, we have about the same number of actual child molesters, and every 65 year old child molesting multiple-repeat offender swears on a stack of Bibles that he'll never do it again, either.

Ditto for the drug dealers. The only honest criminals are illegal aliens, who swear to a man that they'll return to the U.S. at the first opportunity. I admire their honesty (and I don't think they should be criminals in the first place.)

That's the basis for my scepticism. I hope you understand that I remain uncertain about you, because you first said that you've "never touched another person inappropriately", then redirected into porn that "doesn't even have to be real to be a crime".

It's quite a jump from touching to virtual.

Dittos to Kat's first reply.

Kevin

tracysaboe

QuoteWas your child porn virtual, or real?

It really doesn't matter. He viewed it. He's not the one that committed the act of agression against the child by taking the child's pictures even if it was real.

The criminal is the one who actually agressed against the child and took the pictures.

I'm all for abolishing Megan's law. All sorts of people who are on those lists are on their for goofy offenses. Heck, half the rape charges in this highly politicized society are false. And the deck is stacked in favor of the prosecuters.  Or have you not been paying attention to the overzealous prosecuters in the Duke LaCross issue.

Tracy

Zork

Quote from: KBCraig on April 25, 2006, 10:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: Zork on April 25, 2006, 07:33 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on April 25, 2006, 06:48 PM NHFT
For sex offenders, the period of supervision is lifetime probation. Would you prefer lifetime incarceration?


Why should the period be longer for sex offenders than for violent criminals such as murderers who routinely serve less than a decade?

The last time I checked statistics, murder has the lowest recidivism rate of all violent crimes, because most murders are situational, not pathological. Shouldn't you be arguing for reduced sentences for murderers?

The point is that you are then punishing people for crimes they have not yet committed.

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QuoteBut, someone who "never touched another person inappropriately" acknowledges having done so at least once. Contrition and repentance are important, but they don't end the punishment.

I acknowledge no such thing.

I apologize for misreading your words. I hope you understand how I did so, since you wrote
QuoteI'm not proud of what I did and wish I could go back and stop it from happening, but I never touched another person inappropriately.

Misunderstandings happen.  Looking further into the post I think I see how exactly I was misunderstood.  When I said "I never touched another person inappropriately" it looks like you took that to mean that I did to one, but not to any other.  I meant that there was NEVER ANY inappropiate touching.  What I meant is not get involved in the whole sordid affair to begin with.

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QuoteMy crime is of viewing pornography.  Pornography that doesn't even have to be real to be a crime to view!

Well, that narrows it down. The only virtual pornography that is illegal is virtual child porn. Was your child porn virtual, or real?

There had been real pornography involved at a point, and the police did find disturbing (even for the topic) images on my computer, but they were the catalyst that opened my eyes to what I was doing.  Those images sickened me and caused me to seek help.

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QuoteI'd like to see Zork's stats that refute the likelihood of sex offenders to repeat their crimes.

I offer not statistics, but experience.  This isn't to say that all sex offenders are repentant, but all the ones I have met are.  Like any other class of criminal there are those that see the error of their ways, and those who see little if anything wrong with what they did.  The former are unlikely to recommit, while the later nearly always do.

You said you haven't even started your punishment yet, so I hope you'll acknowledge that I have a larger sample basis. I work in a low security federal prison, and our typical caseload includes around 100 child porn offenders at any one time. Most of them are in their 20s, overweight, pasty, geeky-looking fellows who've never had a date. All those I've met say they're repentant, too. Then again, we have about the same number of actual child molesters, and every 65 year old child molesting multiple-repeat offender swears on a stack of Bibles that he'll never do it again, either.
Well, I am in my 20's, a bit overweight, and maybe a tad geeky looking, but I'm not pasty, and I've had several dates.

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That's the basis for my scepticism. I hope you understand that I remain uncertain about you, because you first said that you've "never touched another person inappropriately", then redirected into porn that "doesn't even have to be real to be a crime".

It's quite a jump from touching to virtual.

So I need to prove myself of your trust, first.  I think that's fair.

Kat Kanning

More Than 9,000 Fugitives Caught in a Week

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer 8 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Ten years to the day after allegedly raping a 14-year-old girl, a California man was arrested in a roundup of fugitives that law enforcement officials say snared more than 1,100 sex offenders.

The concentrated search for people wanted for federal, state and local crimes "targeted the worst of the worst," Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Thursday at a news conference announcing the results of "Operation Falcon II."

Authorities arrested 9,037 people April 17 to last Sunday in a 27-state dragnet led by the U.S. Marshals Service and timed to coincide with National Victims Rights Week. Among those apprehended were 1,102 people wanted for violent sex crimes or failure to register as sex offenders.

No other single law enforcement operation had resulted in the capture of as many suspected sex offenders, the Justice Department said. The arrests came mainly in states west of the Mississippi River, and in Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands.

Gonzales has directed investigators to focus on sex crimes as part of his effort to call attention to child pornography and other crimes against children.

One of those arrested last week was Primo Montes, 37, who was picked up April 18 as he tried to visit his pregnant wife in Escondido, Calif. Ten years earlier, Montes and a second man allegedly raped a 14-year-old girl. Montes fled to Mexico to escape prosecution, but investigators learned he might try to see his wife, the Marshals Service said in a summary of the case.

Marshals arrested Montes when he appeared.

Nearly 80,000 fugitives were arrested last year, just under half by the Marshals Service and the rest by state and local police working with federal authorities. More than 10,000 of those arrests came during a similar nationwide sweep last year.

The operations in the past two years produced roughly 10 times the average number of weekly arrests, but even that barely dents the fugitive caseload. The
FBI database contains names of a million fugitives. The director of the Marshals Service, John Clark, said Thursday there are a "few million fugitives" in the United States, most of them wanted on state and local charges.

The agency spent $531,000 on the weeklong exercise, most of it to pay overtime to local and state police, said David Dimmitt, chief deputy U.S. Marshal. More than 2,100 officers from 786 federal, state and local law enforcement agencies took part.

A second phase, targeting the eastern U.S., will take place in the coming months, Gonzales said

Among those caught was William Wisham, 60, who authorities said failed to register as a sex offender when he moved to a motel in Victorville, Calif. Investigators found letters to children and notes explaining why he enjoys sex with children, as well as child pornography, candy and methamphetamines, authorities said.

Police are working to locate children listed in Wisham's diary-style notes.

On the Hawaiian island of Oahu, police arrested Herbert Damwijk, 30, who is wanted in Washington state on two counts of child rape and molestation against 8-year-old girls, the department said. He was arrested April 17 at his father's residence and awaits extradition to Washington.

Reginald Dozier, 39, was arrested in Belleville, Ill., at 12:01 a.m. on April 17, the first minute of the operation, for failing to register as a sex offender. Dozier had earlier been convicted of raping a girl younger than 13 and giving her gonorrhea.

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On the Net:

U.S. Marshals Service: http://www.usmarshals.gov/

Justice Department: http://www.usdoj.gov

Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, right, and U.S. Marshals Service (USMS) Director John F. Clark announce a seven-day nationwide fugitive roundup led by USMS, Thursday, April 27, 2006 at the Justice Department in Washington. (AP Photo/Caleb Jones)

Fluff and Stuff

Quote from: katdillon on April 27, 2006, 02:57 PM NHFT
More Than 9,000 Fugitives Caught in a Week

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer 8 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Ten years to the day after allegedly raping a 14-year-old girl, a California man was arrested in a roundup of fugitives that law enforcement officials say snared more than 1,100 sex offenders.

The concentrated search for people wanted for federal, state and local crimes "targeted the worst of the worst," Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Thursday at a news conference announcing the results of "Operation Falcon II."

Authorities arrested 9,037 people April 17 to last Sunday in a 27-state dragnet led by the U.S. Marshals Service and timed to coincide with National Victims Rights Week. Among those apprehended were 1,102 people wanted for violent sex crimes or failure to register as sex offenders.

That is sick.  The government is trying to make this a political issue for election reasons.  The government has no respect.  Gonzales is such a perv, likely worse than any sex offender.

Zork

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In the mindset of the government, failing to register is as bad as violently raping a child!

QuoteThe concentrated search for people wanted for federal, state and local crimes "targeted the worst of the worst," Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Thursday at a news conference announcing the results of "Operation Falcon II."
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Among those apprehended were 1,102 people wanted for violent sex crimes or failure to register as sex offenders.

Anonymous

First off, I would like to say to everyone here that I am happy to meet you. I am dating a registered sex offender. I am a member of  various sites regarding sex offender issues and education. I would like to suggest a few of these sites where people can go to to keep updated on these issues. If you are interested in sex offender rights issues, please visit the following links: www.cfcamerica.org, www.oncefallen.com  and www.sosen.org. There are also petitions circulating that call for the abolishment of the sex offender registry and the abolishment of the retroactive application of the sex offender registry. The links to these petitions are listed as:

ABOLISH THE PUBLIC SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY
http://www.change.org/petitions/abolish-the-public-sex-offender-registry

ABOLISH THE RETROACTIVE APPLICATION OF THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY
http://www.change.org/petitions/abolish-retroactive-application-of-sex-offender-registration

Last, but not least, if you go to the Citizens for Change, America website (www.cfcamerica.org), you can read about a potential class action lawsuit against Megan's Law. You have to register for this site in order to read the posts, but there is a lot of relevant and important information about these laws that will not only educate you, but maybe give you hope to fight these insane laws. We need money to start and hopefully win this lawsuit, but the more people get involved, the less each person has to contribute financially. All of the details are posted in the website under the forum "filing a lawsuit to stop megans law. spoke with attorney norm pattis". Please sign the petitions and pass it on to anybody who might be interested in signing. That would be very helpful. Thank you all for reading my post and you all have a wonderful evening.

Riddler

sorry ''zork'', but.....
there HASN'T been a week that goes by, in which i HAVEN'T read a newspaper, or seen a newscast, or radio report of a child molester
perpetrating ANOTHER attrocity upon ANOTHER helpless child.........it's a sickness.<<<FACT
doing time for it doesn't make the shitheel all-of-a-sudden ''better''<<<<<FACT
the only cure is a bullett.<<<<SHOOT/SCORE/GAME