Al Gore calls for a tax shift...

[FrankChodorov]

What about poor people who commute?  Won't they be paying the 'carbon tax?'  Also poor people aren't the ones buying the Prius  or Honda Civic hybrid.

Dreepa, what is it with Frank that he just LOVES taxes? Al Gore? C'mon people! Why do you even honor this with a response? 

Thomas Knapp, founder of the Boston Tea Party says that paying for negative externalities (pollution) isn't a tax at all if you don't pay the state but rather pay your neighbors instead.

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=4526.0

We have a few people on this forum who are socialists

like?

then Thomas Knapp must be a socialist in your view...

[Dreepa]

Yeah you are gonna get both taxes and any one who thinks other wise is a damn fool.

This needs to be repeated.

[CNHT]

What about poor people who commute?  Won't they be paying the 'carbon tax?'  Also poor people aren't the ones buying the Prius  or Honda Civic hybrid.

Dreepa, what is it with Frank that he just LOVES taxes? Al Gore? C'mon people! Why do you even honor this with a response? 

Thomas Knapp, founder of the Boston Tea Party says that paying for negative externalities (pollution) isn't a tax at all if you don't pay the state but rather pay your neighbors instead.

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=4526.0

We have a few people on this forum who are socialists

like?

then Thomas Knapp must be a socialist in your view...

What amazes me is that you read some of this crap and actually believe it Bill. If the devil showed up on your doorstep and told you to do something would  you do it just because he's the devil and very famous???

So WHO CARES what Thomas Knapp says? I don't even know Knapp from Jack Schmitt!

(G-Rated)

[FrankChodorov]

What amazes me is that you read some of this crap and actually believe it

like?

[CNHT]

What amazes me is that you read some of this crap and actually believe it

like?

Economic rent, externalities, anti-capitalism...geesh.  Go back to Vermont will you?

[FrankChodorov]

What amazes me is that you read some of this crap and actually believe it

like?

Economic rent, externalities, anti-capitalism...

that would kinda be like not believing in gravity...

[Dreepa]

oh I just read the title again.

If Al Gore is for it then we MUST do it.
I mean even people in TN (his home state) didn't vote for him to be president.

[FrankChodorov]

oh I just read the title again.

If Al Gore is for it then we MUST do it.
I mean even people in TN (his home state) didn't vote for him to be president.

amazing how people smarten up after leaving public office - huh?

[CNHT]

that would kinda be like not believing in gravity...

To an extremist like you maybe, yeah. But we here believe in defying gravity. 

[tracysaboe]

Yeah you are gonna get both taxes and any one who thinks other wise is a damn fool.

This needs to be repeated.

OK.

Yeah you are gonna get both taxes and any one who thinks other wise is a damn fool.

Tracy

[lildog]

Yeah you are gonna get both taxes and any one who thinks other wise is a damn fool.

How any one could belive or listen to any of this crap scares me.

That's the thing about taxes... once the debate turns to which tax is better you've already lost because they never get rid of old taxes, they just bring in new ones and spend more money.

[dalebert]

Carbon gets such a bad rap. Like someone said, it makes up the building blocks of life. CO2 is a naturally occuring and crucial part of our atmosphere. A CO2 rich atmosphere is the best plant fertilizer known to man. It makes plants grow faster-- a LOT faster, and it makes them tremendously more resistant to disease, parasites, and drought. We should consider it a blessing.

CO2 levels are one of countless factors in the complexity of our climate, but not a very significant one. Our climate has flucuated quite a lot in recorded history, far more than the possible trend they're trying to point out now using a lot of faulty and misrepresented data. The percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere was rising a lot faster throughout the industrial revolution while global temperatures were in a declining trend. If the current rising trend exists, it's definately small and there's nothing to tie it to CO2 as a primary causation. It's more likely linked to one of the regular changes in the output of the sun as Mars seems to be experiencing a warming trend at the moment; both likely temporary, at least in global terms. The "evidence" is primarily annecdotal. The earth's climate is always changing in little ways locally so you can always find a place that's having record temperatues, low and high, or a spot where icebergs are melting and you can just disregard places where ice is growing or thickening. There are a couple spots where polar bears are having a hard time, but most of them are fine. Natural selection is brutal.

Al has found a nice pet issue to promote himself and liberals eat it up because they can villianize the big companies and Republicans in general for trying to DESTROY THE WORLD. I feel kinda sorry for him. I don't think he has any friends.

Man-bear-pig doesn't care who you are. He just wants to get you! I'm totally serial! Why won't people listen? I'm serial!

[FrankChodorov]

the debate is over in the scientific community...man is contributing to global warming.

the only scientific question remaining is how this will impact us over what time horizons and what to do about it.

[FrankChodorov]

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-oreskes24jul24,0,7925596.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

excerpt:
AN OP-ED article in the Wall Street Journal a month ago claimed that a published study affirming the existence of a scientific consensus on the reality of global warming had been refuted. This charge was repeated again last week, in a hearing of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

I am the author of that study, which appeared two years ago in the journal Science, and I'm here to tell you that the consensus stands. The argument put forward in the Wall Street Journal was based on an Internet posting; it has not appeared in a peer-reviewed journal ? the normal way to challenge an academic finding. (The Wall Street Journal didn't even get my name right!)

My study demonstrated that there is no significant disagreement within the scientific community that the Earth is warming and that human activities are the principal cause.

[CNHT]

My study demonstrated that there is no significant disagreement within the scientific community that the Earth is warming and that human activities are the principal cause.

*Y-A-W-N*

Frank, I doubt a bunch of ants can change the course of the earth's atmosphere. I don't buy it and so don't many scientists.
It's another excuse for more socialism.