National News?

[Russell Kanning]

How about we call the "National News" section ...... "Outside of NH"? or something.
Hopefully soon NH will be it's own nation. Then.....

[Raineyrocks]

Hi Russell,

I think this is a great idea!  I am pretty new to the board, I have posted a few times so I have some questions about your suggestion.  Do you need someone to be in charge of searching for National News and then posting it to a folder here?  How do you open a new forum section?
I could help if I know how.  I do get alot of news from independent news sites on the internet, is that what you mean or do you mean mainstream news?
Are there just certain things that should be posted? Such as new bills against our civil rights, 911 news, underground government bases?
I found this on infowars today
Bush Given Authority To Sexually Torture American Children
The "horror of the shrieking boys" gets a rubber stamp from the boot-licking U.S. Congress & Senate as America officially becomes a dictatorship

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 29 2006

Slamming the final nail in the coffin of everything America used to stand for, the boot-licking U.S. Senate last night gave President Bush the legal authority to abduct and sexually mutilate American citizens and American children in the name of the war on terror.

There is nothing in the "detainee" legislation that protects American citizens from being kidnapped by their own government and tortured.

Yale Law Professor Bruce Ackerman states in the L.A. Times, "The compromise legislation....authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights."

Similarly, law Professor Marty Lederman explains: "this [subsection (ii) of the definition of 'unlawful enemy combatant'] means that if the Pentagon says you're an unlawful enemy combatant -- using whatever criteria they wish -- then as far as Congress, and U.S. law, is concerned, you are one, whether or not you have had any connection to 'hostilities' at all."

We have established that the bill allows the President to define American citizens as enemy combatants. Now let's take it one step further.

Before this article is dismissed as another extremist hyperbolic rant, please take a few minutes out of your day to check for yourself the claim that Bush now has not only the legal authority but the active blessings of his own advisors to torture American children.

The backdrop of the Bush administration's push to obliterate the Geneva Conventions was encapsulated b y John ?torture? Yoo, professor of law at Berkeley, co-author of the PATRIOT Act, author of torture memos and White House advisor.

During a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel, John Yoo gave the green light for the scope of torture to legally include sexual torture of infants.

Cassel: If the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?

Yoo: No treaty.

Cassel: Also no law by Congress ? that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo?

Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

Click here for the audio.

So if the President thinks he needs to order children's penises to be put in vices, there is no law that can stop him and after last night's vote, the Senate and Congress, exemplified by sicko 16-year-old boy groomer Mark Foley (R-FL) , has graciously provided Bush its full support for kids around the world to be molested in the name of stopping terror.

Yoo's comments were made before the passage of the torture legislation last night. Up until that point Bush had merely cited his role as dictator-in-chief as carte-blanche excuse for ordering torture - now his regime have the audacity to openly put it in writing - going one step further than even the Nazis did.

Again, for those who are still deluded into thinking the extent of the "pressure" is loud music and cold water being thrown over Johnny Jihad in Ragheadistan, consider for a moment the fact that your own Congress and President who, according to the Constitution, are mandated to serve you, have just legalized abducting your kids from your home and electric shocking their genitals.

Now that the criminals have declared themselves outside of the law does that mean we'll see Bush barbecuing babies on the White House lawn? Of course not, but the policy of torturing children in front of their parents has already been signed off on by the Pentagon and enacted under the Copper Green program and it happened at Abu Ghraib .

Women who were arrested with their children were forced to watch their boys being sodomized with chemical glow sticks as the cameras rolled. Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh says that the U.S. government is still withholding the tapes because of the horror of the "soundtrack of the shrieking boys" and their mothers begging to be killed in favor of seeing their children raped and tortured.

Your government has just lobbied for and Congress has passed legislation to discard the Geneva Conventions and mandate all this.

Pedophiles nationwide should rejoice - they can comfortably take a stroll down to the local swimming pool, grab whoever they like, drag them home, rape and torture them, and then in their defense cite the U.S. government as an example of how one should conduct themselves.



The bill also retroactively gives Bush, the Neo-Cons or any of their henchmen immunity from war crimes charges dating back to September 11 . Ask yourself why they would be so careful to protect themselves from accusations of war crimes.

Could that possibly be because they are knowingly committing war crimes?

The legislating of torture itself should be a criminal act. All laws that contradict the U.S. Constitution are null and void. It was once a law that black people were slaves.

Only by engaging in civil disobedience and refusing to tolerate or acknowledge the laws of a criminal regime that has greased the skids for sexually torturing kids can we ever have a hope of returning America to its past glory


Russell, this is so gross!  I sat at the computer this morning and read it and cried, I don't know what the hell is becoming of this country.  Would something like this be considered National News?  What can we do about stuff like this?
I know alot of people want links when you post news to verify the source and as I said I got this from infowars.com so I could just write which site I found the news on.
Sorry for posting this long post but I would like to help and just need some direction.  Let me know, thanks!

[Lex]

I like "Outside of NH".

[AlanM]

raineyrocks,
Welcome! Thanks for posting this.
Chilling. Any of us could be labeled 'enemy combatants' at any time, according to Mr. Yoo. Did someone say dictatorship?

[Raineyrocks]

Your welcome for the post, I truly wish it wasn't even there to post though.  When are things going to change?  So many people have the "it can't happen to me or my family" mentality.  Let's just say it really could not happen to us or our families, what about these other people that it is happening to?  They should matter too, if we start to think outside of just ourselves.
What I don't understand is how this bill passed, did they slide it through without any american citizen knowing about it until it already passed? But I heard Alex Jones talking about it a day before it passed so people had to know, where are the massive protests?  I haven't been on the net for a little while so I just found this article today.  When I was listening to the Alex Jones show yesterday and he briefly mentioned it why didn't he inform his listeners of what to do to try to stop it from passing or even tell his listeners that it was up for passing yesterday? 
I sign alot of petetions online against stuff like this, but for some reason this hasn't been "big news", why?  We are so screwed now!  I like Alex Jones, the only thing is that he pushes his dvd's, he gets alot of listeners calling to ask what can they do and he says get my videos and pass them out to everyone.  I admit opening people's eyes to the truth is important, but if these kinds of bills are passing it is time to do more than pass dvd's out.

I know the concentration camp stuff is controversial but it is definetly possible, people don't want to believe it (neither do I), because it's terrfying, but now is not the time to keep our eyes closed and basically  we have to try to prepare for anything.
I have info on these camps if you want me to post them, let me know.
Alex is on now and he's talking about this bill now, if he says anything new I'll post it. 
Sorry for the long post, I just really get emotional over what is going on.

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I got an alert on the detainee bill (and the wiretapping one!) on Monday from DownsizeDC.org which everybody should be subscribed to at this point.

As for the detention camps, there's a $385 million Halliburton contract to build temporary detention facilities for illegal immigrants just waiting to be activated, and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said this week that they just might be needed, as they're running out of space to keep all the people they aren't catching-and-releasing anymore.

[maineiac]

Sorry, folks.

I've been enlightened to the malfeasance and mendacity of governments since (and before) 1980.

The one constant that can be isolated during that whole time is the fact that most people just don't give a shit.

Sad, but true.

[Raineyrocks]

I will subscribe to DownsizeDC.org right now, I never heard of it before, thanks!  I just wonder if anything is going to stop this crap, it seems like everyday there are so many of our rights being taken away and other abuses of power taking place.
  If people got alerts about this bill on DownsizeDC.org, it didn't stop it from passing, you know what I mean?  I do believe we should still keep trying, please don't get me wrong but sometimes it feels futile.
Alex Jones is talking about the specifics of this new bill, he is saying that even raising your voice makes you a terrorist, speaking out against the government makes you a terrorist, ect. he is just getting started. He said they actually say there is no more Constitution, and if they want to take you away, they label you an enemy combatant not an American citizen!