My Pro gov't sister finally saw a glimpse of police brutality,

[David]

In ohio a police officer slammed down a handcuffed women.  It was caught on tape and playyed on the nightly news. 
I am never on the same side of Any issue, almost, as my sister. 
btw, the officer will not face charges.   
The woman was probably drunk, and was probably mouthing off the the lady cop.  But it is clear that she was not physically agressive and was suddenly thrown to a bench.  On tv the prosecuter said that the officer was within policy to defend herself from the arrested woman.  The tape was recorded in a sped up way.  According to the prosecutor, it was inconclusive as to weather the woman was abused. 

[David]

The pro gov't streak in my immediat family is the reason I have very little hope in the political process.  These are people who will listen while I try to sell liberty.  If I can't convince them what are my chances outside of my family. 
They are not stupid people.  But they cannot see a world without the use of force.  In part, because they don't see it(force) as all bad.  Taxes are a great example.  I can't convince anyone that taxes are theft except my father. 
My sister has repeatedly stated that because I know I will be taxed, if I work somewhere, then it's not stealing.  It's wierd logic, but she votes.  And there are probable thousands of people like her in gov't, both politicians and followers.

[David]

Columbus officer won?t face charges of assault
By Kevin Mayhood
The Columbus Dispatch
Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:13 AM

A special prosecutor has decided to drop two counts of assault against a Columbus police officer who was accused of assaulting a prisoner in January.

Former Pickerington prosecutor Robert Mapes was hired to handle the case because the city expected to be sued over the incident. Mapes told Municipal Court Judge Anne Taylor yesterday that he chose to drop the charges against Officer Bridget Kimbrough because he didn't have proof beyond reasonable doubt.

Kimbrough didn't oppose the dismissal and agreed to pay court costs of $381.

Kimbrough, 42, has been with the Division for four years. She was charged with two counts of assault after police accused her of slapping and choking Sarah Kroger in an elevator at police headquarters on Jan. 22. Police also said she pushed Kroger into a wall and bench in a waiting room.

Kroger, who had been arrested for drunken driving, was to testify in a jury trial that was expected to start this week. Her attorney, David Goldstein, opposed the dismissal. "They had a videotape; they had two of them," Goldstein said.

He said Kroger was handcuffed and she and Kimbrough were arguing when Kimbrough attacked her. Kroger, he said, would not sit down and experts expected to testify differed on whether Kimbrough used excessive force to handle her.

Kimbrough's attorney, John Waddy, said one of the tapes to be used as evidence distorted what took place. The tape was from a motion-sensitive camera that made actions seem sudden instead of recording them over time, he told the court.

Kimbrough has been working a desk job since the charges. Goldstein said that he and Kroger are discussing whether to file a civil suit against Kimbrough and the city.

kmayhood@dispatch.com



local tv footage of it as of today
http://www.wbns10tv.com/

[tracysaboe]

My sister has repeatedly stated that because I know I will be taxed, if I work somewhere, then it's not stealing.  It's wierd logic.

It's called legal positivism. And it's a rampant mindset that pretty much everybody has.

It's not logically any different from saying that. "Well, if you move into a neighborhood where you know the maffia is extorting money from people and they've been doing it for years, then the maffia isn't really stealing form you."

But convincing people of the paralells between the two statements is pulling teeth.

Tracy

[aries]

I know far too many "libertarians" who think that way... that if you live here in America, you're subject to all of its laws, etc, because you choose to live here. The "work exclusively within the system" type people

[Shawn]

America's laws don't allow taxing of income.  The IRS does it anyway.  So I guess the people who really want to work within the system shouldn't pay taxes either...

[d_goddard]

Push forward on ALL fronts.
* Within the system -- help "our" people get elected. Especially in NH, where the pro-liberty concentration means you get the most "bang for the buck".
* On the edges of the system -- write LTEs, call-in to talk shows, post on forums
* Outside the system -- protest where and when you believe it is most effective

[FrankChodorov]

Push forward on ALL fronts.
* Within the system -- help "our" people get elected. Especially in NH, where the pro-liberty concentration means you get the most "bang for the buck".
* On the edges of the system -- write LTEs, call-in to talk shows, post on forums
* Outside the system -- protest where and when you believe it is most effective

very nice summary Denis.

some people believe that action on either the first or third have the potential for making the other action more difficult

[aries]

America's laws don't allow taxing of income.  The IRS does it anyway.  So I guess the people who really want to work within the system shouldn't pay taxes either...

I'm pretty sure they amended the constitution to allow that

[d_goddard]

1) Within the system -- help "our" people get elected. Especially in NH, where the pro-liberty concentration means you get the most "bang for the buck".
...
3) Outside the system -- protest where and when you believe it is most effective

some people believe that action on either the first or third have the potential for making the other action more difficult

I know -- I used to be one of them.

I still think that heavy-handed activism DOES damage the pro-freedom movement. For example, passing out flyers with pictures of Hitler or with swazticas on them, no matter how they are used or what point is being made. That just causes people to repsond emotionally -- AGAINST whoever is passing out the flyers.

In contrast, purely nonviolent noncooperation (such as sitting on a porch where the property owner has granted such permission, and offering ZERO resistance to arrest) has almost no "blowback" potential.

[CNHT]

Push forward on ALL fronts.
* Within the system -- help "our" people get elected. Especially in NH, where the pro-liberty concentration means you get the most "bang for the buck".
* On the edges of the system -- write LTEs, call-in to talk shows, post on forums
* Outside the system -- protest where and when you believe it is most effective

The 'within the system' part is very important to those of us for whom avoiding an income tax  would be tough, since the money we make does not come directly into our hands but through agencies that WILL comply with it if passed into law.