1984 may be coming to Manchester School District busses

[Russell Kanning]

I don't think having a gun would be a great idea for a bus driver .... since they can overwealm you.

You just have to be cool and say "Hey bart dude" and the kids will love you.

.... and yes I do smite people

[Ruger Mason]

I've ridden the bus plenty of times when I was a kid, had many different bus drivers, and experienced different policies in different school districts.  I've seen well-behaved buses and I've seen rowdy buses.  I've seen fights break out on buses.  However, there is absolutey no excuse for a rowdy bus.  If a bus is rowdy, then the bus driver is incompetent and should be fired.

I oppose cameras in buses.  Not because they don't have the right to put them in there (the district is certainly entitled to police their property and dicipline misbehaving students).  What concerns me is the continued errection of the surveilance state.  Cameras everywhere.  Public streets.  School buses.  Big Brother is watching.  When people become so used to being under surveilance, they will become more complacent, and when -- WHEN -- the state decides that cameras in public places are not enough, and that they must be mandated in various private properties, the citizen outcry will be less intense.  This is a classic example of the slippery slope.

The district wants a magic bullet to solve dicipline problems without taking responsibility for it.  But the real solution is good old-fasioned adult supervision.

Here's what Manchester should do:

1.  Identify permissive bus drivers that let kids run apeshit and fire them.
2.  Place kids in assigned seats.  Otherwise, the dillinquents will congregate in the back of the bus and cause trouble.
3.  Anyone moving from an assigned seat or standing up should be diciplined.

One of the districts I was a student at had just the above policy.  I remember one day I brought some Go-Bots on the bus and showed them to a friend sitting in the seat infront of me.  The alert bus driver issued me a "pink slip" for the infraction of "mischief."  Seems strict, but a far better solution than spy cams.

[CNHT]

If you want the bus monitored, you can darn well volunteer to ride along and monitor it, yourself.

Joe

Well that's a good idea. At least you are offering an idea and not just criticism.

[MaineShark]

Well that's a good idea. At least you are offering an idea and not just criticism.

Yeah, wouldn't want to be like some people and just offer criticism...

Very bad move to protest this, indeed.

Joe

[CNHT]

Well that's a good idea. At least you are offering an idea and not just criticism.

Yeah, wouldn't want to be like some people and just offer criticism...

Very bad move to protest this, indeed.

Joe

Having a monitor on the bus is also going to cost money. Any solution other than doing nothing is going to cost money, which is why none of the solutions were acceptable.

I also don't think having the driver HELP them tip over the bus is acceptable either and hope that was  just a joke.

[MaineShark]

Well that's a good idea. At least you are offering an idea and not just criticism.

Yeah, wouldn't want to be like some people and just offer criticism...

Very bad move to protest this, indeed.

Joe

Having a monitor on the bus is also going to cost money. Any solution other than doing nothing is going to cost money, which is why none of the solutions were acceptable.

I also don't think having the driver HELP them tip over the bus is acceptable either and hope that was  just a joke.

If you want the bus monitored, do it yourself on your own time.  Heck, if you're convinced that it will cost money, and you really want it done, then you should pay for the privledge of sitting on that bus, monitoring it.

And, in regards to your second paragraph, since it appears to be completely unrelated to anything I wrote, I'm just curious who your supplier is?  I don't smoke, but I bet there are a lot of folks who would really like to know where you get whatever it is that you're smoking while you reply to my posts.  This isn't exactly the first time that your reply to something I've posted seems unrelated to my actual post...

Joe

[CNHT]

Well that's a good idea. At least you are offering an idea and not just criticism.

Yeah, wouldn't want to be like some people and just offer criticism...

Very bad move to protest this, indeed.

Joe

Having a monitor on the bus is also going to cost money. Any solution other than doing nothing is going to cost money, which is why none of the solutions were acceptable.

I also don't think having the driver HELP them tip over the bus is acceptable either and hope that was  just a joke.

If you want the bus monitored, do it yourself on your own time.  Heck, if you're convinced that it will cost money, and you really want it done, then you should pay for the privledge of sitting on that bus, monitoring it.

And, in regards to your second paragraph, since it appears to be completely unrelated to anything I wrote, I'm just curious who your supplier is?  I don't smoke, but I bet there are a lot of folks who would really like to know where you get whatever it is that you're smoking while you reply to my posts.  This isn't exactly the first time that your reply to something I've posted seems unrelated to my actual post...

Joe

I didn't say I myself would want the bus monitored with another person and in fact said that I did not think that was going to help anything in case of an insurrection.
I just said that any other solution was unacceptable to otheres apparently because it would cost money.

As for the driver helping to roll the bus over, it was Russell who said that in another post about this subject. I did not say it was you who said it anywhere did I?

[Michael Fisher]

Public to have say on school bus cameras

Hey, isn't this supposed to be the News section of the forum? 

School buses are already big-brother buses. Schools are already jails.

The question is what we're going to do about it: treat the symptom, or the cause?

[Michael Fisher]

Here's what Manchester should do:

1.  Identify permissive bus drivers that let kids run apeshit and fire them.
2.  Place kids in assigned seats.  Otherwise, the dillinquents will congregate in the back of the bus and cause trouble.
3.  Anyone moving from an assigned seat or standing up should be diciplined.

Here's what Manchester should do:

1. Eliminate its government.
2. See #1.
3. See #2.

[AlanM]

Public to have say on school bus cameras

Hey, isn't this supposed to be the News section of the forum? 

School buses are already big-brother buses. Schools are already jails.

The question is what we're going to do about it: treat the symptom, or the cause?

Hey Mike! Pretending to treat fifty symptoms, rather than the cause, is a far more equitable way to spend our tax money. Besides, it gives bureaucrats something to do.

[CNHT]

Assigned seats? Holy cow you must be a nazi! How can you curtail my freedom by assigning me to sit in a certain place? I will sit where I damned please thank you.

/tongue out of cheek now

Assigned seats are not going to stop violence..

[AlanM]

As Mike suggested, why not eliminate the cause, rather than the symptom? Eliminate the public schools and there will be no public school buses. If there are no public school buses, there will be no cameras on them. QED

[Ruger Mason]

Here's what Manchester should do:

1.  Identify permissive bus drivers that let kids run apeshit and fire them.
2.  Place kids in assigned seats.  Otherwise, the dillinquents will congregate in the back of the bus and cause trouble.
3.  Anyone moving from an assigned seat or standing up should be diciplined.

Here's what Manchester should do:

1. Eliminate its government.
2. See #1.
3. See #2.

Perhaps so, but I rather doubt the school board will consider this option at next week's hearing.

[Ruger Mason]

Assigned seats? Holy cow you must be a nazi! How can you curtail my freedom by assigning me to sit in a certain place? I will sit where I damned please thank you.

/tongue out of cheek now

Assigned seats are not going to stop violence..

No, they're not, but they could impose a structure of dicipline that might prevent some violence.  Of course, cameras can't prevent violence either, as this recent attack demonstrates.  If anyone claims a solution that would be 100% effective a stopping all potential for violence, be very affraid.

Undoubtedly proponents of cameras will use this very video as "proof" that it is needed.  Yet, it didn't stop the violence, and certainly wasn't needed as evidence given the fact that the bus driver and dozens of students were witnesses.

[MaineShark]

I didn't say I myself would want the bus monitored with another person and in fact said that I did not think that was going to help anything in case of an insurrection.

Yes, because we all know how well cameras are able to stop "insurrections."

Seriously, Jane, who is your supplier.  Inquiring minds want to know.

I just said that any other solution was unacceptable to otheres apparently because it would cost money.

Or would just be evil.  Cameras aren't going to stop violence.  All they stand ready to do is indoctrinate people into the notion that being surveilled by the government is a good and normal thing.  Like elementary-level the textbooks that describe taxes as "extra money we have that we give to the government to do good things."  Indoctrinate them young!

As for the driver helping to roll the bus over, it was Russell who said that in another post about this subject. I did not say it was you who said it anywhere did I?

Yeah, you posted that in a reply to my post.  How silly of me not to realize that you were replying to Russell.

It's like the last time that my wife asked if I thought we should have chicken or buffalo for dinner... I walked over to my neighbors' house and told them I'd prefer the buffalo.   Because we all know that the best way to talk to someone is to go and talk to someone else!

Joe